Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 00:00:16 Hey there, cosmic fam. Welcome back to the Cosmic Circle where we discussed all things nerdy. It is currently the holiday season, and with every holiday season, we are looking forward and looking back on all the things that this year has brought us, and everything that's coming in the future. So in honor of that, we are looking to talk about what 2022 has brought us for the M C U and what Phase five is gonna bring us in the future. Joining me today is Ala Ruby and Anthony Flagg, both from the Cosmic Circus family. Uh, hey, you two, how are we doing today?
Speaker 2 00:00:50 Hi, I'm Ala Ruby. I'm so excited to be here. I'm a writer for the Cosmic Circus and I can't wait to talk about 2022 and review and what I'm excited about in 2023.
Speaker 3 00:01:03 Hey there guys, this is Anthony Flagg. It's good to talk to you guys, be around, you guys, discuss the things we love so much. Let's get to it.
Speaker 1 00:01:12 I'm so glad to have you two back. It's always great to have the family here. Um, so looking back at 2022, we've had so many great television shows and movies from the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and when we were discussing this project, you know, we were looking at the entire phase four and we just realized there was too many projects to talk about. Um, so looking at the 2022 calendar of what we've had, what were some of the highlights for you starting with Night Moon Night was back in March, it kind of really set off this supernatural aspect of the Marvel Cinema Universe. What'd you guys think of that?
Speaker 2 00:01:56 I mean, I loved Moon Night. Uh, you know, there was a lot of anticipation of it for us, particularly at the Cosmic Circus. 'cause you know, we, um, we got to watch it a little bit earlier than everyone else, and that was really exciting. So I, I always have a, um, like a special place for it in my heart. And I, I really actually also loved the music for Moon Night and I was kind of disappointed. I recently was looking at my Spotify wrapped and I know I listened to the Moon Night soundtrack like a billion times, <laugh>, and it wasn't in there. So I think it's rigged, basically. But, um, I love Moon night. I I can't wait to hear what you guys think.
Speaker 1 00:02:37 The thing about Moon Night is that it was just so iconic in a way. Like the costume Oscar Isaac was perfect for the role. That was exactly who I wanted to play it. Um, there was nothing about the show that just didn't hit the marks for us. It was like Indiana Jones meets superhero and I, I fell in love instantly.
Speaker 2 00:03:00 I wanna spend the entire podcast talking about Oscar Isaac and how he pulled off the two roles because it's an amazing transformation between like, or well, more than two roles, like between all the characters.
Speaker 3 00:03:12 Arguably say it's like four or five. Wasn't it really? Because, you know, there
Speaker 1 00:03:15 Was so many. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:03:16 No, he handled himself well, doing many of 'em. God rest his soul for the, what do you call it? The accent. I know that wasn't well received, but everything else mm-hmm. Was just fantastic. Played through and through. I, um, you know, the one thing I am disappointed of is that we didn't get a Moon Night will return title card. Mm-hmm. Anywhere in the middle. Like, if anything should have absolutely gotten it, it was that show. I mean, obviously he's coming back, but like, like, you know, watching Black Panther, black Panther will return Great. When is Moon Night gonna return? 'cause that's what I wanna know about.
Speaker 1 00:03:51 What's interesting about that though too, is that while it didn't have the card saying he was gonna return, the show itself was so removed from the M C U that like, it was hard to almost to expect that, even though I'm with you, I wanna see him again. Where's he gonna show up? I hope it's kept in America New World order if the rumors are true. Probably not <laugh>, but there was just, there was, it was so far removed from everything else that it, it felt like its own entity.
Speaker 2 00:04:17 I know we were trying to find Easter eggs for a while there with, with Moon Knight. 'cause it was so far removed. Like, we were trying to figure out, okay, is this really in the same universe and there's like a bus that drove by referencing <laugh>, another M C U thing? And you know, we were just looking for all those things, but you could totally enjoy it and watch it just outside of having seen everything else. M c Uly.
Speaker 3 00:04:38 That's absolute that's a good observation. Really thinking about it. Yeah. You didn't have to watch anything prior at all to just go in there, watch that story by itself and walk away really satisfied with it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>
Speaker 1 00:04:50 And, and that, and in comparison, it's so different than our next entry into the 20 20 22 M C Oh, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 00:04:58 We didn't talk about the best far of Moon night, and I know you wanted the Moon Night. We'll return, but I want The Scarlet Scara will return because she's amazing and I want her to have her own show or her own special, and I just had to get that out there. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:05:11 Um, absolutely. She was the best part. And her costume at the end was easily one of the best costumes of that entire show. Her superhero costume.
Speaker 3 00:05:19 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and original thinking about it. It wasn't like based off of anything. It was just like a full concept that they made for her character in her.
Speaker 2 00:05:27 It was incredible. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 00:05:30 Um, good point. And thank you ala because that is true. We can't, we can't move on. Before <laugh>, we, we talked about the Scarlet Scarab, um, but unlike the next century where moon Night was very removed and you didn't have to watch anything to, to enjoy it, Dr. Strange of the multiverse of Madness had so much that you needed to take in prior to seeing it to really appreciate it. And part of it, I think that a lot of people would agree was that it got lost in translation somewhere. You know, because you had to take into account, uh, you had to take account Wanda Visions and you had to know Dr. Strange. And there was so many Wanda specific stories that led to her being this villain that it was so connected to the M C U I. I don't know what the two of you think, but that's kind of where I stand with it.
Speaker 3 00:06:18 Well, not just that, but also like for those who, you know, like me and Joy X-Men growing up, Hey sir Patrick Stewart's back. He's playing, you know, professor X here he is just full flown. And then for the small group of people that watched in humans and got to see Black Bolt back again on screen. So it was cool though, like, for those people that are dialed in and knew every single one of these iterations, that must've been like a really gratifying feeling. I only watched a few episodes of Inhuman, so I'm not gonna say like I had that full attachment to it, but yet seeing him in the actual costume was an amazing moment.
Speaker 2 00:06:55 I was excited about, um, Anson Mount and it just because I like Star Trek, and I think I told you as I was like watching Star Trek in my basement before we were, you know, on this call. Um, and you know, he plays Captain Pike in Strange New World. So I didn't have the inhuman connection, but I was so excited for Captain Pike.
Speaker 1 00:07:15 I loved the humans as characters are some of my favorites. And I will unfortunately be on, on the ship that I liked in humans. The TV show, and I'm probably, it's probably a captain one here, <laugh>, but Anson Mount is by far the best in humans Black Bolt that we could have ever had. I am sad in the movie, you don't get to see his eyebrows because in the TV show his eyebrows did the entire work, <laugh>. But to see him back just for the moment, I oh, I was so happy. I just cannot get over that. And not only that, we finally had our fan casted, Mr. Fantastic mm-hmm. <affirmative>, at least for one appearance here.
Speaker 3 00:07:54 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:07:55 And I'm curious what you guys think of that. Sorry, <laugh>,
Speaker 3 00:08:00 Uh, you know, I was never on the train of John Krasinski as, as Mr. Fantastic. But when I heard the applause there at the theater, I thought it was cool. 'cause people were just like, whoa. Like, you know, we know about some of these things happening beforehand, but when you're amongst a group of people that don't have a clue about not just this character, but this actor playing that, that genuine surprise, hearing it from others is fantastic. Um, the other thing I really, really enjoyed from that scene was seeing Captain Carter. Yeah. Yay. Like I know we had the setup from it. Yes. From what if and, and, and, you know, but like to see it actually happen wearing the Union Jack setup up mm-hmm. <affirmative> and with the, with the Shield and everything, man, that was just so cool.
Speaker 2 00:08:43 She's amazing. And she was amazing. Like, she was the highlight of Dr. Strange for me. I think actually that whole sequence with all the, the cameos were, were really exciting for me. Um,
Speaker 1 00:08:54 Anytime we meet Atwell back is just fantastic.
Speaker 2 00:08:57 Right. And, but she was such a badass there and I love that.
Speaker 1 00:09:01 Do you think we we will, we will be seeing her again.
Speaker 3 00:09:04 Yes. Live action, but only in what if Oh, live action. I have no idea. I hope so. I know we get her again in what if season two, but that's about it.
Speaker 2 00:09:11 I think she do like a lot of good stuff. Like she's Secret
Speaker 3 00:09:16 Wars, maybe.
Speaker 1 00:09:17 Yes. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I want a whole series from her because Halle Atwell can just, she can act more funny
Speaker 3 00:09:24 Story, Brian, there's this one show called Agent Carter. I'm just kidding. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:09:28 Listen, I have all the seasons on D V D, don't do this to me, uh, <laugh>. But you
Speaker 3 00:09:33 Said if you have it on D V D,
Speaker 1 00:09:35 It's been a long time. Uh, <laugh> we, we've traveled the world since then. Um, I
Speaker 2 00:09:40 Mean, it's smart though
Speaker 1 00:09:44 To, to have them on D V D.
Speaker 2 00:09:45 Yeah. Because, you know, things are disappearing from the internet and disappearing from streaming now. So it's like, that's a really good, not to derail your train of thought, but like, that's a really good thing. Now,
Speaker 1 00:09:57 Part of me gets, you know, as much as I love Disney Plus, and I love the TV shows, I wish that they were on disk. 'cause something about having the physical copy. Granted, I know they need to sell Disney plus subscription, so of course they're never gonna put, well, I a vision on Disk, or maybe before it's 30th anniversary, who knows? But the fact of having that disc with the set and it just, it all looks complete. Uh, chef's Kiss <laugh>. Um, but about that fight from, uh, multiverse of Madness, what I love too, besides seeing all of these fan favorite characters, is we really got to see just how brutal Wanda is as, as a villain, and not just as a villain mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but as a character. Like, she, she blew up Black Bull's brain and she shredded Mr. Fantastic. Like, and there wasn't a second hesitation. And that was just like so wildly epic in such a scary way. I loved it.
Speaker 2 00:10:52 She's creepy. You know, she, she made him, she just turned him into spaghetti and it's, there was no remorse. She's really awful there. <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:11:03 Well, last comment on, uh, on uh, multiverse and Madness though is, is how they set up with Cleo showing up and Shirley Theone of all people getting to play that iconic character, which is interesting. Mm-hmm. I'm still a little disappointed in how the ending of the movie happened. 'cause all of a sudden, third Eye activates, all of a sudden she shows up and he is like, I'm in. But apart from that, hey, that's a hell of a setup that they're gonna have to really work to pay off when it's time for Dr. Strange iii.
Speaker 1 00:11:30 And I think part of that problem too is that whole movie felt so rushed, and part of it probably had to do with the pandemic part of it had to do with just the, the vastness of it. It probably should have been a two part film almost. But that ending was just like the icing on the cake of a film that like, you just had so many beats that you had to hit before the end that like, that part was also rushed. And you're just like, it truly was a, a multiverse of madness because you're kind of going bad by the end of it. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:12:00 <affirmative>, you know, I don't think I considered that before that it should be a two part, but now that you say it, I think it totally makes sense because it, it does kind of have a scope of like Infinity War and End game. It totally, it would would've worked so much better and we would've been able to savor those moments so much better. And maybe like get the significance as we're watching it so much better. So I think I'm, I'm totally on that team now.
Speaker 3 00:12:22 We could have traversed the multiverse more too, though. <laugh>, that's the one thing that would've been great, you know, versus just one sequence where they go through and then boom, one universe, the second universe, and all right, back home. Like, there could have been a little bit more in between.
Speaker 2 00:12:36 We need more Savage land than the answers for the dinosaur bones. And Hawkeye, frankly,
Speaker 3 00:12:41 <laugh>, I really wanted more of that paint land that was just a cool bit where everything was just blobs of paint, sign me up, I could live there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 1 00:12:50 But I think this also brings up the, an an important question of the structure that we've had so far with the M C U, where we've had like these six part series and one part movies and, you know, we've had one, two part film. Like granted they changed the name to end game in Infinity War, but it was originally proposed as part one, part two, fin War. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I think that it's time to start expanding some of these stories that they don't need to be just one film. They could be two films, or it doesn't need to be six parts, it could be four parts. And that's okay too. And, um, I hope to see some more, especially as we get into the special presentations, which we have one coming up that we're gonna discuss that I'm really excited to get to.
Speaker 2 00:13:26 I wonder how much of that is too, because of, you know, they're pushing to get this content out and like to get stuff out. Because I, I'm like, personally, I'm always in favor of more movies and more TV shows and more episodes in particular. And I, I think with the Marvel TV shows, there just weren't enough episodes and I just wanted more of these stories to feel complete. Um, so I, I wish that was the case.
Speaker 1 00:13:52 Did you feel that way with Ms. Marvel? Because that, that is our next one on the list. And I felt that there was room for expanding or contracting the story into a different episode count. 'cause the six six did not necessarily work for that. Even though I loved Miss Marvel.
Speaker 3 00:14:08 Not just that, but spending one episode really, really entrenched into the past of her grandparents that could have been reworked maybe to a little bit shorter and given a little more time to the present.
Speaker 2 00:14:18 I'm, I'm still team more episodes. I just wanted so much more story and more just, just more story than what we got. And I had a lot of, um, unanswered questions that I wanted to find out more. Now I have to wait a very long time. <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:14:32 Right. Hopefully. And it always felt like this whole was a setup for the Marvels. Like, as much as they were telling while the story, it was like, yes, we're doing this so you can see what she does next. Like, no, I wanna know what she's doing now. Explore that, and then I still want to see what she does next.
Speaker 2 00:14:48 I mean, and I think part of it is too that, you know, Ms. Marvel was so charming, miss Marvel, like we, I I'm thinking that we all enjoyed it, so that's why we wanted like more of it or mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, wanted different arrangements of it. So I thought Miss Marvel was really a success with that.
Speaker 3 00:15:03 And I can tell that they were trying to feed to the bigger part of the M C U with the, you know, they spent that moment about the Bengals and where they came from and this and that. Like, I get that. But, uh, you know, we, we really wanted to see our little sipper, super heroine do her thing.
Speaker 1 00:15:18 It actually feels like a lot of the shows that we've had so far has been filler or like setting up movies, which kind of reminds me of back in the day with Agents of Shield where it responded to the movies and it like, filled in these gaps. But it, like never actually at the beginning didn't stand on its own. And so, you know, we have Wand Visions that set up, uh, Dr. Strange with Multiverse, A MEUs. We have Loki that's setting up the entire multiverse Falcon, the Winter Soldiers setting up Captain America. And Miss Marvel was setting up the Marvels. I think what would've almost been more interesting for Miss Marvel was to almost have a, um, like, like a monster of a week set up kind of, or like Sheet Hawk where it's like every episode was kind of its own, because this is a teenage kid. And it could have been something like Spider-Man where it's like, but like the day-to-day of Spider-Man mm-hmm. <affirmative> like, you're going to school and then you have to, on your way home, you get stopped by a villain and you decide, oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna beat up this villain and I'm gonna save the world. And it really was serving a bit wider story of like the Bengals and magic and setting up gin and all of this stuff.
Speaker 2 00:16:20 And in the comic books, you know, we saw much more of her daily life. We saw much more of her daily struggles, which I think was part of what was so appealing about her as a character. Um, and it's a little bit sad that we lost some of that.
Speaker 1 00:16:34 And I would argue in the show some of the best parts were her and her family.
Speaker 2 00:16:38 Absolutely.
Speaker 3 00:16:39 Yeah, for sure. Interaction between her and her brother, her and her mom, her and her dad separate together, all of it.
Speaker 1 00:16:46 I think, like, even her and her friends and like Bruno and, you know, they all just had such good chemistry that I could have watched a show just about them without her magic powers
Speaker 3 00:16:57 <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:16:58 I think Marvel has, um, kind of shown that they can do these like intimate family moments really well with the TV shows. And I think that's something we haven't seen in the movies. Like, we saw the family dinners at Miss Marvel and we saw that in She Hulk and just these like family relationships that, you know, so much drama comes from that, even if it's a comedy or whatever that like, they just really did well.
Speaker 3 00:17:22 Instead we got that ice cream scene in Multiverse Madness that I still hate very, very much <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:17:29 Um, but absolutely it had those intimate moments and it tried to have this very heartful story. And I think it appealed to both, at least for me. It appealed to me as an adult, but I've also watched it appealed to my nephew. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, who had it had that kiddish humor. It was for like a younger skewed audience, but it still fit in so well with the M C U and the feel of what the M C U is.
Speaker 2 00:17:50 Yeah. It was the first, um, it was the first Marvel thing that I was able to show my daughter for, you know, for, I think it was the first three or four episodes she's seen a little bit of Spider-Man. But I basically had to fast forward through most of it. Um, but I, I appreciated that I could show her something M C U and it was like a strong woman. I mean a strong girl. But that's
Speaker 1 00:18:11 Such a, that's such a, like a, like what a core memory for you and your daughter <laugh>. Like, that's so awesome.
Speaker 2 00:18:19 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:18:21 So fast forwarding then jumping to Thor Love and Thunder, which was the last movie we had in theaters prior to Black Panther Wana Forever. And this film really had such mixed reviews from audiences and critics alike. I loved it. I know a lot of people didn't love it. Where do you fall on the spectrum?
Speaker 3 00:18:42 I'll go first. I, I, I'll tell you, I did not love it. I was disappointed. You
Speaker 1 00:18:46 Did not.
Speaker 3 00:18:47 Look, look, I saw that behind the scenes video or whatever that, that set video. Oh, I know it's coming of Jane, where she's getting the hammer. She's being lifted up in the air <laugh> and they just cut it like it didn't matter. And I mean, like, even just behind the scenes it looked amazing. Like she was convulsing, like clearly there was some strength coming into her. You know, the, the, the hammer is forming itself around her. Instead, what do we get? We see a couple pieces moving inside of a glass case and then cut. I will forever be angry about that because we didn't even get like, you know, a to my, to my knowledge, there's no behind the scenes or alternate or deleted scenes of that. So I'd never got that. That would've been an amazing introduction. And well, not just that, but they didn't, we know that she went to Valhalla. I hope she comes back because it just felt so short-lived. She deserved more than just the one movie to do her thing.
Speaker 1 00:19:50 Part of me wonders about that scene though. Like, while it looked really cool behind the scenes, if it actually translated well to camera or like when they were trying to like, to put the V F X in there, like, or did it look like someone who was convulsing in the sky and they're like, oh, this doesn't look so great. <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:20:05 That's a good point. I didn't think about that. But I mean, at least from the behind the scenes, it did look really awesome. Like, she was about to like really level up.
Speaker 2 00:20:14 I like that we got, um, Natalie Portland back. I think that yes. That, you know, the direction that they went in that convinced her to do that is great because I think, I mean, she has to come back, right? There has to be more of her. I think if she was Secret Wars. Yes, exactly. Um, just
Speaker 3 00:20:32 Every time you want somebody back just say Secret Wars, it works <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:20:34 Or the Hymels Show. 'cause I, I remember there was rumors of that not the long ago. The Heimdall was getting his own show. And that would be in Valhalla as well.
Speaker 2 00:20:41 Yeah, that's true. Wow. So there's potential, right. We could see even more of her. So I, you know, I appreciate that, that Thor did that, but you know, it's, it's never gonna be Ragnar Rock for me that was just like amazing. Um, so I
Speaker 1 00:20:59 Think that's a fair point. I mean, 'cause how do you follow up Ragnar Rock? Ragnar Rock was epic in every single way. The comedy was like almost perfect. Alex Perez of the Cosmic Circus may, uh, disagree with it, but it definitely had such a great feel that like, I think that any film was really going to have a hard time following that. And they were trying to do this like love story. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, I also think doesn't last it
Speaker 2 00:21:24 <laugh>, I'm just saying didn't, it didn't exactly work.
Speaker 3 00:21:28 They also completely wasted Christian Bale. Like, come on now. Like you got a, you got a good get right there. And just the actor alone in a great character of Gore, the God butcher, and then you see him kill one God in the very beginning of the film, and that's it. Nothing else after that. Everything else is implied or it already happened off screen. I mean, come on. It's all the little things that added up to me that made me not love the film.
Speaker 1 00:21:54 And also like we, they, we, they wasted sif, you know, like they brought back Jamie Alexander, who has, who's a great actress and she had what, two scenes? She had one at the beginning and one at the end. Yeah. Um, I also don't think though, this is the last time we've seen Natalie Portman, because you don't bring, you don't get Natalie Portman to come back to the M C U after messing up the first time and not make sure to lock her down for multiple films. Like, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 00:22:17 Right. Especially when you've seen the success of the M C U. Like you would think that part of her, her deal is like, I'm gonna get some of the M C U, you know, money going forward that I missed out on by just doing this one, one thing. So I mean, I, I would hope, did you guys think that there was enough Guardians of the Galaxy content in this? Like, what are your thoughts? I
Speaker 3 00:22:42 Wanted out. I love The Guardians and my answers, I always want more, but Yeah, exactly. See Polar opposites right there. And that's fine at the same time, as much as I love 'em, it took away from what could have been given time to Natalie Portman as the Mighty Thorpe. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:22:55 <affirmative>,
Speaker 1 00:22:56 It felt like it was, we had to put him in there because of how we left Endgame. And then there was a shuffle because of Covid. So we had to explain it away. I think it would've been a better story if you would have just told the Thor story. Don't explain how he got to it and have him show up in, in Guardians of the Galaxy and explain it away that way. Because up to this point, James Gunn has been the only one that's really done justice to the Guardians. And this one kind of fell flat. There wasn't, they didn't feel like the Guardians. I didn't even recognize Chris Parra. I don't know what was going on there. Um mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But it just, it just didn't have a great feel. It felt too chaotic and too sh shoehorned in to really be a vital part of that story. You could have like, like, like Anthony said, you could have had more Gods being killed by Gore mm-hmm. And have gotten rid of that 15, 20 minutes
Speaker 3 00:23:48 Easily because, um, the time they spent with the Guardians really didn't serve much except showing how Badass Door was <laugh>. And even then he was just kind of messing around. Like they could have used a couple throwaway lines just to say, yeah, I got dropped off my ride. Went on to their own thing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, they went to nowhere or whatever. And, and, and kept moving on and given that time elsewhere. And the time we did spend with Gods was kind of a farce. I mean, we went, we went to what Omnipotent City and Zeus is kind of just like that one uncle you have at Thanksgiving that's just like, ah, whatever. You know, like that's the best way to explain 'em. I'm like, this is, this is literally Zeus <laugh> one of the biggest thoughts outta all of mythology. And he's just kind of like drinking wine, chilling, doing things for sport, which I understand the Greeks did that, but like, I don't know, this felt like a disservice to what the Gods could have been. And, and you know, all you got was like a sweeping view of all the other ones in the crowd you didn't get. I don't remember any other ones speaking
Speaker 2 00:24:51 Well with that sweeping view though. It's amazing to me what, what folks have started to notice and kind of pull out and connect the threads from other, you know, other, other shows. Um, there's, you know, a friend of the Cosmic Circus on Twitter, max Marvel, who, you know, when Thor came out and won that particular, um, scene was I think released in the trailers and then later in the, the HD stuff from the movie. Like he was finding each, each God from mm-hmm. <affirmative> Moon Night from, uh, black Panther and, you know, explaining some of the history. And I thought that was really cool having that interconnectedness.
Speaker 1 00:25:27 Yeah, absolutely. And before we move on, we, I do just have to say that at the end we got that, that teaser of, of Hercules, and I think that we're in some big, some big stuff.
Speaker 2 00:25:38 You mean not Ted Lasso <laugh>?
Speaker 1 00:25:41 I haven't seen Ted Lasso. I got to now because yeah, I mean, that's all I'm gonna say. Um, <laugh>, so, you know, the next is She Hawk, and this is another one that people either loved or they hated. They had a different format. They took a chance to try something new. I will say that I liked it, the ending was different and I don't know how I feel about it. That last episode feel felt like it just took such a wild turn. It didn't feel M C U it was hilarious. I laughed my ass off, but I just don't know about how that ended and how it's going to, how, like how do you, where do you go from there? So that's kind of, you know, how, what I've been thinking about that one. What about the two of you?
Speaker 3 00:26:22 That's a similar concern as far as where they're gonna go after that. Like, can you just write yourself out of any plot hole now? Just 'cause mm-hmm. <affirmative> like, is, is this every time they're like, well, we're stuck in a corner, ask, screw it. We're just gonna go really meadow with it. You know, I watch Rick and Morty every week and they, about two weeks ago they had this literal meta episode, sorry, spoilers for anybody that has not watched the most recent season of Rick and Morty, but I'm going in on it. But they literally had this one sequence where Rick goes through and they go back and fly through the literal opening credits. And I'm like, this feels like we're jumping the shark. Is she hope gonna do this in the future? Because it's like, oh, well, what do we do? Ask her? We'll just write ourselves out of this. It's a little bit concerning. Mm-hmm. Because now what happens when you pair her with other people and don't say she got paired with somebody, this doesn't count, but like, you put her in a movie like, what's gonna happen? She's like, all right, pause it real quick. I'm gonna get behind the camera and I'm gonna change it all up and then we're gonna win the day. It just kinda removes the stakes out of it.
Speaker 2 00:27:22 I I think that's, that's a totally, you know, the best way to put it, right? Because you don't know what the stakes are. If they can just write, if, you know, if they can just invent the, the Figy robot, um, to just make it all better, which was all like, that was really funny and awesome. And I like, I, I really enjoyed She Hulk up until the revenge porn storyline. Then it like pissed me off. You know? I didn't think any of that stuff fitted in with her ca fit in with her character. And then I was also frustrated with, um, like you said, the, the ending and, you know, the stakes not mattering as much and just writing yourself out of that. Um, I really liked everything else with She Hulk. I liked, you know, the pairing with Daredevil. I liked seeing Daredevil as more, um, like the lighter side.
Speaker 2 00:28:07 I thought him doing the Walk of Shame was hilarious. I liked that. Absolutely. Yeah. And I liked that. Um, I liked that Jen was kind of coming into herself and kind of figuring out who she was between, you know, Jen Walters and she Hulk and kind of ultimately accepting that, you know, I thought that was kind of a story worth telling. I just, it was a little bit clumsy for me. Um, the fourth Wall stuff was awesome. I liked Ally McBeal. I liked all of his old procedurals. Um, not procedurals, but, you know, law shows. So I thought that was good. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I, I just don't know what, like what's real for, for the rest of the mc. Where where does she show up again and what, what has happened? 'cause you can't break the fourth wall as easily in someone else's show. It's not the same tone,
Speaker 1 00:28:54 Which I think that it would partially kind of do with like House of Cards where, you know, the main character breaks the fourth wall and like his wife starts to learn over time. And so like, and nobody else is aware. So I think you could easily do it where you're like, you're breaking the fourth wall and like a, like the camera turns and stuff. But it also depends on the tone of these different projects. Like if she does show up in Captain America, uh, new World Order, how does that fit in with mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, she, 'cause she can't nearly be as comedic. Um, I do feel like she hulked too. There was a better story they could've told and it got lost somewhere. And I, I don't know where it got lost in there, but there was, there was a really good beginning concept. You could have had the lawyer show, but then you kind of wanted to be an action show, but then at the end you didn't really know what tone you wanted to have. Um, the best part was getting to see Daredevil in a completely different, you know, he wasn't, uh, a a mature rated daredevil. And that was really cool. Well, I guess he was mature rated. I should take that back.
Speaker 2 00:29:56 <laugh>, take that
Speaker 1 00:29:57 Back. He was,
Speaker 2 00:29:59 It seemed like they were, it seemed like they kind of took the focus from it being Jen Walter's story to it being mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, like making fun of the internet and essentially their fan story. And that kind of rubbed me a little bit of the wrong way in some ways. 'cause not, you know, it was like they were anticipating the Twitter stuff and all of that. And that was just kind of annoying to me, um, because I didn't need like, real life and stories because I injected into it. Yeah. I, I, real life is, is enough real life every day. I, I don't want that in my fantasy or all of M C U. Um, I, I just, that bothered me. <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:30:43 Going off of that, you know, I think that this is a really good point to ask you. 'cause the psychologist of me is always asking <laugh>, uh, specifically you'd mentioned you didn't like, and I agree with you, but the revenge porn storyline as a woman watching that, that had to be really kind of difficult because like you said, that was kind of this crash into reality of having to, like, this happens quite frequently to people mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And you have to worry about that. And would, was there a way to tell that storyline in your eyes that maybe was a better way to do it than how they did it? Or should they have just ignored that altogether?
Speaker 2 00:31:17 I don't think it fit in with the tone of the show. I think it, it, um, you know, I think it was kind of almost too dark. It didn't, you know, because it is like, it is a real life thing. It's something that's, you know, frequently the stakes are more real life than like aliens from outer space, it feels like mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I know that's a thing. Like you want street level stories and stuff. It just felt very out of left field for me, kind of personal. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yes. And I, I didn't, it just, it really bothered me and totally like, swung me around on my feelings with the show. But that's just me.
Speaker 1 00:31:51 Right. No, it completely caught me off guard during that time. Like, as soon as that, that happened. And I kind of had inkling of what was gonna happen, but the fact that they did that, and, you know, my sister even texted me and reached out, um, l you know, Luna who writes for us. Mm-hmm. She reached out, she was like, wow, I can't believe they did that. Like, up to that point. It was like lighthearted and kind of funny. And then all of a sudden it was Yep. The real world was crashing in on a big screen and like, you couldn't miss it. It wasn't like, it wasn't like a, like a cell phone, you know, it was like on a large screen in front of everybody. And then a, as my sister pointed out, shout out to her that then she kind of lost her.
Speaker 1 00:32:30 Cool. And it just showed that like, wi women are wrong to respond, to be angry. And like, that was like also a wrong message that my, that my sister pointed out is like, like there was no winning that situation. And so like, she just ended up looking like a villain for being victim, you know, being a victim. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, she was, she, she was, had something taken out of her control. So I think that like, there, it really did hit the mark and like, didn't it missed the mark? Sorry. It did not hit the mark. It missed the mark and it didn't do what it was supposed to. What they, I think they were trying to be really smart with it, but it wasn't nearly as smart as they thought it was.
Speaker 2 00:33:02 Yeah. I think
Speaker 3 00:33:03 It was tone deaf. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> for, for this day and age. I mean, for some people that's something they've literally gone through. You nor I nor Brian have ever had to fight aliens or deal with Gods or anything <laugh>. But I'm sure someone we know in our group of circle has had something, maybe not exactly like that, but something similar happening. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And that can be triggering, it can be embarrassing, it can be humiliating. It's just so many awful things. And so for you, for someone to just sit there and, and, and try to find comfort in a, in a comedic show and then have that just end, you know, next to last episode is just gotta be, well, really devastating.
Speaker 2 00:33:42 I also, and this is not, I, like, I understand that she was kind of the foil, but I think they did Titania Dirty. Um, I think she like, so Jamila Jamil is an amazing actress and I wanted a, like a real motivation for her being after her mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I wanted so much more of her 'cause she like steals the show whenever she's on screen. And it just felt like they made her almost catty and I hated that. Oh yeah. Um, you know, because that's kind of not what she, you know, she hulks about a strong woman and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you, you should have like a strong villain too to match that. And I was just disappointed by that <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:34:20 No,
Speaker 3 00:34:20 The one thing I liked is how they switched it though and made her an influencer to kind of keep it mm-hmm. <affirmative> in line with what, what current things are. Like she's selling merch <laugh>, she's on social media, like, stuff like that. It's like, okay, that's
Speaker 2 00:34:31 Fair. She trademarked her name. Right. That was like, she trademarked her name. The Ultimate Evil <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:34:34 Yeah. Patent trolls. Patent trolls are a big thing nowadays. And so I, I did like that. But as far as her motivations and everything outside of that was a big, big miss.
Speaker 1 00:34:48 Oh, absolutely. Um, jumping ahead, just so we can stay on time. <laugh> we're jumping to October. In October We had Werewolf by Night, which was the first special presentation by Marvel Studios. And it was kind of a secret, it was not a secret, but it was kind of a secret nobody was talking about, even though everybody knew it was coming <laugh> until September and we got that trailer. Um, and up until that trailer point there was a lot of, um, back and forth, which I feel like with Thor and she hawk, this was kind of the running thing of like, people didn't like it and people did not know what to feel about world by night. But I have to say that I absolutely loved it. This was such a different project than we have ever seen from the M C U. I mean, we had it in black and white, it was the old horror feel. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we had practical effects and I loved it so much. So we had
Speaker 3 00:35:39 Monsters, <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:35:40 That's, I was gonna say, I loved it so much that I am going to get a man thing tattoo on, on my leg because I loved him so much in that thing. I could not get enough of him. I just thought he was amazing. So for me, this was probably one of the top 2022 M C U projects. What are your guys' thoughts?
Speaker 2 00:36:00 I, I mean, I'll
Speaker 3 00:36:01 Love there with
Speaker 2 00:36:01 You. Yeah. I wanna see the man thing tattoo though, the, like when it's done. Totally. Just putting that out there. 'cause I think that's amazing. Totally <laugh>. Yeah. I think it was an amazing project and they took a risk by going black and white. And I wonder if that's part of why they kept it so secret. And I think, you know, Lizzie Hill of, of our fabulous editor in chief, you know, deserves so much credit for just confirming and the existence of this show when nobody else would. And confirming, you know, interesting details about it because there was a lot of, um, rumor and speculation. So she got it right. So, you know, props to her for that. Um, it was awesome. <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:36:38 Yeah. Props to her for not just getting the, the, the project but also that man thing was gonna appear blow stone, you know, those are big gifts. So many
Speaker 1 00:36:47 Heavy
Speaker 3 00:36:47 Headers. So, you know, off clap. But, uh, what I really enjoyed about the show was that were the little things about it, like the opening with the voiceover with the Latin and the little documents as they panned over the screen. It just really gave a feel that I've never had before in the M C U. And you know, if it wasn't for the fact that I knew it was part of it, you could have told me, yeah, this is just Universal. Did this as a side project, you know, check this out and watch it. I would've absolutely believed you from beginning on that and, uh, just that, but, but the approach of it, rather than making it to like this big long spectacle, it was one evening. It was one night. Yes. And it was this big hunt and it was just a great setting and all the little bits about it beforehand, you know, with the, what was it, a, a tuba on fire, like Oh my. Just
Speaker 1 00:37:37 Things like that. Just the sousaphone. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:37:39 Just like, just walking on fire. Um, but hands down, my favorite part of it was to towards the end where Jack is fighting the guards and all you see is like the shadow mm-hmm. <affirmative> and the doors closing slowly in the background and you can see 'em hopping from left to right and taking them out one by one. But just, um, using that classic method of showing but not actually showing the monster was great. 'cause it left a lot to the imagination. Mm-hmm. And even then we got to see a lot of parts that weren't left to the imagination when he ripped that dude's ear off or whatever, you know mm-hmm. Pulling the Mike Tyson and <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:38:19 Never heard call that before. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:38:21 <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:38:22 And bursting out of the cell onto that other, you know, that mount was just so interesting 'cause it was different. And, and, and, um, using the bloodstone, having it being the only source of color mm-hmm. <affirmative> up until the very end when you finally got color, you know, bled into, and, and when, when he came to the day after. But, but utilizing strongly the black and white throughout the whole episode was just so fun.
Speaker 2 00:38:49 I
Speaker 1 00:38:52 I do love that what this, what this did with the horror reminded me very much of like, alien where you did, you didn't ever see Alien until the end, you know? And then we had those touches of like Wizard of Oz where they're playing somewhere with the rainbows, the colors coming back. Like there was a lot of these old technical mm-hmm. <affirmative>, old horror, not even aliens, not old horror, but like these classic horror tropes and stuff that just, it could have been really cheesy and it probably was, but it fed so well off of that that like, it was perfect.
Speaker 2 00:39:21 Even the buckets of corn syrup that you can tell that they definitely used and that Yes. You know, they were able to have with that ratings since it was, you know, black and white. That's like a very old horror thing too, you know? And I think there's, it, it, you guys nailed it when you said it, you know, fit with the Halloween Horror Nights and Universal Monsters thing. I think it's, it's totally that vibe. And I think, you know, it was just so different. And I think because it was a success, we're going to see many more of them, like many more special presentations where it may be, you know, you're taking a risk artistically, you're taking a risk with the filmmaking. Whereas with the standard m c stuff, you don't see that, you know, they're very conventional filmmaking things.
Speaker 3 00:40:06 How do y'all feel about them doing black and white moving forward? Do you like it or would like, was it best as a one-off and then maybe moving forward we get some color. What, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 00:40:16 I think the horror, every Halloween one should be black and white. I think that like, really lean heavily into that. Make it, or, you know, I guess you could change it up sometimes have, if you wanna do one that's more like slasher inspired, it could be color, but like that classic black and white intense music cheesy dialogue that fits so well together that I'd love to see more of that.
Speaker 2 00:40:39 Yeah. I think, I think as a Halloween, as a Halloween thing, it really works. I don't know, you know, I don't know how it would work for anything else to black and white.
Speaker 3 00:40:49 Yeah. That's what I was thinking. I'm like, as much as I love the black and white, I don't know if I want it every time to be black and white for this one though. It, it looked and felt great.
Speaker 1 00:40:59 Absolutely. And, you know, so I think that a really good foil to comparing, talking about World by night is, well actually going to skip over Black Panther. Talk about that last and really quickly talk about Guardian of the Galaxy, especially 'cause Black and Panther wa kind of forever still in theaters. Um, so some people maybe not have seen it, so we'll keep that one a little bit spoiler light when we get there. But Guardian of the Galaxy had a holiday special as well, which was a special presentation the second one, uh, the second one of this year. And I'm sure there's gonna be more coming forward, but how did we like that compared to where of by night? Or do you think that it's, it's wrong to compare the two even though they're both special presentations?
Speaker 3 00:41:35 I'd say it's inherently wrong to do it just because you can tell this was made just as a specifically Christmas thing, obviously. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> versus Werewolf Finite was just, Hey, we're gonna release it in October. This plays well into Halloween and we'll roll with it. Um, I
Speaker 2 00:41:51 Think you can almost compare them in that, you know, old television shows when they would run for a really long time would have time for like very special episodes or holiday themed episodes where they were sometimes kind of funky. And I think in, in that way you can con like, compare them. 'cause you know, it's Halloween and Christmas, but otherwise I don't think they, you know, you can compare them very much at all. Just, you know, that they were special event episodes.
Speaker 1 00:42:18 Absolutely. I do wanna say that I loved this holiday special. I especially loved the family aspect. Like, I cried, I laughed, uh, my sister and I are still saying some of the lines back and forth to each other. <laugh>, um, mantis was fantastic. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Pom did such a great job as this character. And I think like you really got to see her outside of mm-hmm. <affirmative> the Guardians. And like, she kind of was overshadowed in the second movie and in Infinity War and stuff. And like this one, you got to see her be this full character and how is she powerful and she strong, but she has this big heart and she's really intelligent and like, she's not just someone kind of silly like drags. And I love that to see that about her.
Speaker 2 00:42:57 Absolutely. There was so much more development of her. And I think just, you know, overall they weren't, they weren't, um, they weren't outshined by the main characters. They weren't outshined by by star Lord. And I think that it's always fun when you get to see characters that, you know, don't always get a chance to have as much airtime
Speaker 1 00:43:16 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> with that characters who don't get as much screen time. We had Black Panther, Wakanda forever, and this had someone have to step up in, into to shoes that were so huge to fill that it was almost impossible. We, as we know, Chadwick Boseman has mm-hmm. <affirmative> is no longer with us. And we had to have his sister, well, his character sister Step up as the mantle of Black Panther. Um, how did we like Wakanda forever? What did we think about it?
Speaker 3 00:43:51 That was absolutely a, uh, a heavy but fantastic movie. Um, I really enjoyed the introduction of Namor. Um, I, I, I actually was a big fan of how they changed it, of making them, you know, being from that, you know, uh, what, what I guess Northern Central America, just being from that area in general was, was was nice. And how they spun that into the Spanish, you know, Conti, how they brought that in. And really the, the part that got me was when he introduced his name. You know, how he s like that was as a Latino
Speaker 1 00:44:30 Say that again.
Speaker 3 00:44:31 No, no, not saying that again <laugh>. But, uh, it, it was, it was nice because, you know, even though Mour is literally the most classic character of Marvel, it's their first character, um, to have a nice little spin to make it a little bit more relatable and, and, and broaden it to a whole group of Latinos, that, that felt powerful to me. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I know a lot of my friends really enjoyed that. Um, as far as the Wakas though, uh, incredible performances from, from everybody from there, you know, Angela Bassett, uh, Leticia Wright, I was very impressed, you know, for being a comic book movie. To see that range of emotions was just amazing.
Speaker 2 00:45:16 It didn't feel like a comic book movie. It felt like, just like a big emotional weighty blockbuster. And I think it, you know, it stands on its own. And I can only imagine how hard it must have been for the, you know, actors and crew to go on and to make this, you know, beautiful piece of art knowing that their friend, you know, had passed away and make this like, piece of art and kind of, um, uh, in honor of, of him. And I think, you know, it's just, it, it was amazing. And I don't really have great words to describe just the experience of seeing it. You know, I got, I got chills and goosebumps a a number of times when, when the name was mentioned, you know, that was one of them. So, like, I only saw it recently. I was one of the late comers to see it.
Speaker 1 00:46:00 I, I definitely have to say that for a phase that was about grief, 'cause almost every single project was about grief. What a huge film ended on. And like, this is the biggest example I think of grief. You know, we started with Wand Vission, which was about losing your loved one. And then this was actually a film where every one of those individuals lost a loved one. Like they were a family by that point. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And without bullying too much. 'cause I don't, I, you know, I don't want to be that person. But from that first scene, that first scene really did a number on me all three times I saw that movie. And I will cry just thinking about it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and from that first scene all the way to the end, there's just tears and there's just, it, it goes through every step of the grieving process.
Speaker 1 00:46:48 And the last scene with Sheri, uh, the Teeter Wright did a fantastic job mm-hmm. <affirmative> as Sheri this film, but that last scene when she's sitting at the fire was just cinematic. And like, I just, I can't say much more about the film than it was fantastic. And I love that they introduced Nate Moore and I just cannot wait to see what happens again with, with the Wands, because now it's kind of this interesting part because now they get to tell maybe the story they wanted to tell from this point on, and not having to deal with the fact of the grief mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but I also don't think that they would've had the same film that they would've had with this one if we wouldn't have lost Chadwick Boseman. Which I'm not trying to say that that's a good thing. I'm just saying that this film was s a love letter to him in every single way. And, um, I'm glad that we got to have it that way.
Speaker 2 00:47:38 I think you, you, it was a testament, you know, to their grief. And I think, I think you nailed it with that and, and even the whole phase, like you mentioned. And I think that, you know, it's hard without spoilers. And I think that this, this movie also sets up a couple of interesting things for mm-hmm. For the rest of the M C U and I, you know, again, what would that have looked like too without this movie?
Speaker 3 00:48:01 Yeah, absolutely. I wanna make one last note on the movie, just 'cause I was really impressed by it, is that opening scene when, when Sheri fails to recreate the, the, uh, heart shaped herb to save her brother, it really didn't feel like she was acting that really felt genuine. Like she felt like I'm doing what I can and I'm here acting this movie. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Because if you, if it wasn't, if things wouldn't have happened the way they did, you would be here with me right now. And man, that hit so hard.
Speaker 1 00:48:29 There was plenty of times in this film where it actually felt like they weren't their characters. That they were, they were themselves and they were the embodiment of all of their emotions. And I think that just brought like such a level of reality to this film that we maybe don't have and say like, end game where like the world's exploding and stuff, like mm-hmm. <affirmative>, this was just such a, every one of those people you could tell was processing out their emotions on that screen. Yep. Um, so we are running out of time, but what I want to talk about before we, we do is phase five is next 2 20, 23, um, starts the new phase. We're starting with Amman and the was, which comes out September, not September, February 17th. <laugh>, um,
Speaker 3 00:49:11 You almost broke the book there, Brian. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:49:13 <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:49:13 Sorry.
Speaker 2 00:49:13 Uh, whatcha are trying to tell us, is this gonna be an article?
Speaker 1 00:49:16 It's not, it's not getting delayed, I promise people. Um, <laugh>, what are we looking forward to? Like, what is our one project that we are looking forward to in phase five. That's not fair. The television show or movie?
Speaker 3 00:49:27 No. One, one television show. And one movie. 'cause that's not fair.
Speaker 1 00:49:30 Okay. One television show. One movie. You get it? Answer.
Speaker 3 00:49:33 I'll go first. I'll go first. I am most excited for Airman and The Wasp. I love Paul Rudd. I've been watching him act for 20 plus years. He's been fantastic. Jeff Loveness wrote this one and he wrote a lot of really great, uh, episodes of, of Rick and Morty. As you know, I spoke earlier, I'm a big fan of, so I wanna see what he does with his, his writeup. And then my most favorite television series, because I've been reading a lot of his comics, has to be Dare Devil Born Again. Um, I just recently read Devil's Reign and, and I hope they go with that storyline of making Wilson Fist the mayor, which from what I've understood, they that's a strong possibility. And if it is hell yeah,
Speaker 1 00:50:14 Absolutely. I I those are great choices.
Speaker 2 00:50:16 I'm gonna steal them for different reasons. I, I totally agree. Um, I am very excited about Antman. I think that I was like totally surprised by Aunt Man one and Aunt two and just, they are so charming and like, so funny and just, I really like, again, like how they portray, um, like smaller family relationships and you know, the family that, you know, that, um, he kind of creates for himself too with, you know, with everyone there. So I, I love that and I hope we see a lot more of that in Eight Man Three. And I'm, I'm excited about Daredevil,
Speaker 3 00:50:53 But we get King. That's the main reason why I'm really excited about eight Man Three like King, not he who remains for some variant. Actually. King the man. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:51:03 <laugh> King has entered the chat.
Speaker 2 00:51:05 <laugh>. Yes. Well, I'm, I'm actually not as excited about that as I am for the like, interpersonal things, but I don't know. I, I, I just like And Bill
Speaker 3 00:51:15 Murray.
Speaker 2 00:51:16 Yeah. Anymore <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:51:19 Yeah, I know, I agree.
Speaker 1 00:51:20 Well, I'm gonna try to be different than, no. Um, those are how dare you <laugh>. Those are great choices. Those are great choices. But I have to say that I, after the holiday special, which has impacted me so much, I'm so excited for Gardens of the Galaxy Volume three. Especially seeing that trailer recently. Uh, it's gonna be emotional, it's gonna be heartbreaking. A rocky raccoon, what's going on with him? Brax has some, has an explosion in his chest. What is, I'm so cool. Counter Earth's gonna show up. I'm so excited for that. And plus, even though this is our third outing, they're kind of saying it's like the last outing of this guardian's, the three of these guardians, the Galaxy. They're making it sound like they're over. I know they're not. I can't wait to see how it's gonna end. Um,
Speaker 3 00:52:05 But think also Adam Warlock,
Speaker 1 00:52:07 Adam Warlock
Speaker 2 00:52:08 And the soundtrack.
Speaker 3 00:52:10 Yes.
Speaker 1 00:52:10 It's gonna be fantastic.
Speaker 3 00:52:11 It's gonna be, oh man, you know, I love my some music. Yeah. So, yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1 00:52:15 And just real quick about that, I don't know if you guys notice, but on the poster it actually says it's a James Gun film. It's the first one of any Marvel film that has someone's name attached to it.
Speaker 2 00:52:23 The first and only for him.
Speaker 1 00:52:25 Probably
Speaker 3 00:52:26 <laugh>. Yeah, <laugh> the next one. Superman, Batman.
Speaker 1 00:52:31 Um, but TV show, uh, it's a tie between Ironheart because I loved her and Black Panther, Wakanda forever. And I think Agatha, I've always been someone who has loved witches and magic and I think that show is going to explode.
Speaker 2 00:52:43 No, you don't say
Speaker 3 00:52:45 You. No, definitely
Speaker 2 00:52:47 Not.
Speaker 1 00:52:48 I think that show is gonna explode the magical aspects of the M C U. Those doors are gonna be blown wide open and I cannot wait to see what's gonna happen, uh, with the characters, especially 'cause Katherine Hana's fantastic in that role. So this is true. We can't go wrong with that.
Speaker 3 00:53:01 This is very true.
Speaker 1 00:53:02 Um, so this has c this has been our episode, looking back at 2 20 22 and looking forward to 2023. Um, thank you so much for joining us Cosmic Fam. It's always great to have you here. We can't wait to have more of these episodes with you. Uh, joining me today again is I love Ruby and Anthony Flagg. My name is Brian Kitson, head writer of the Cosmic Circus, and we can't wait to see you next time. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 00:53:26 Thanks for listening guys. And don't forget the cosmic circus com.
