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Speaker 1 00:00:16 Welcome to the Cosmic Circle, the podcast for the cosmic circus.com, your friendly neighborhood site. For Nerdy News, I'm Ala Ruby, and I'm here with Brian Kitson and Anthony Flagg. And we have a lot to talk about today. How are you guys doing?
Speaker 2 00:00:32 Hey there. Ala, it's great to be here. Um, I'm so excited to dive into everything that's going on with DC How about, how are you doing, Anthony?
Speaker 3 00:00:41 I'm doing good. I had so much fun talking with y'all about Marvel that I figured, hey, we gotta talk about DC so here we are.
Speaker 1 00:00:48 It was such a blast and I'm so glad that you're back to talk with us because there's a lot to talk about. So, James Gunn, you know, big news recently took over as the head of, is he the head of development in DC or is he just like the Kevin Foggy of, of DC Do we
Speaker 3 00:01:06 Co c e o with Peter Saffron
Speaker 1 00:01:09 Co. C e o. So he's totally said goodbye to Marvel with Guardian of the Galaxy three that's coming out soon, and now he has a new sandbox to play in. What are your initial thoughts? What do you guys think?
Speaker 2 00:01:22 So what's interesting for me is, you know, he is both the co-chairman and co c e o of DC Studios with Peter Saffron, but specifically they kind of said that he's the leadership as creative head where Peter Saffron's gonna be dealing with some of the business aspects, which it kind of reminds me of the idea, going back to when James Gum was gonna kind of take over the cosmic side of the mcu mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And he was supposed to like, spearhead this whole, this whole new galaxy, and that was gonna kind of be his play. And it kind of feels like that was almost gonna be like the James Gunn and Kevin Feige duo before everything happened. Um, so I think it's very interesting that he once again found himself in the spot. Can you handle it? I, I think that that determined that if he liked the Suicide Squad and peacemaker, some people did, some people didn't. I was not that thrilled with it. But I think that there's so many characters that he can play with that it's gonna be very interesting to see where this goes.
Speaker 3 00:02:22 First initial thoughts about him, I was pretty excited. 'cause it feels like now they're, they're really thinking, Hey, we want to get this right versus like, we're just gonna make all these random movies hope that something kind of forms itself. And then I just know that we probably won't get a repeat of where we just, okay. Batman or sorry, Superman movie, Superman versus Batman movie Boom Justice League. And it just felt so inorganic 'cause it felt so rushed. So with him here, you know, uh, as the head of it all, I feel there's a good chance that they actually have a plan, which he says he has. He's written it down and he is gonna come out early next year and mention it. But it, it instills a lot more confidence than the time before.
Speaker 1 00:03:05 So I'm really torn on this. Um, I feel like af my my opinion of James Gunn has like soured a little bit, and I don't quite know why I, I just, maybe it's like the Twitter feed and interactions that kind of bugg me, but, um, like I feel very, you know, Superman was the, the first superhero like world that I was interested in and bat and then, and Batman with that. Um, so like, I feel a very, a very strong connection to those. And I kind of, so much has been done to them already. I'm just nervous about what could happen with those two franchises and with DC in general, um, moving forward. Um, because peacemaker was kind of weird. I liked it. I liked John Cena, but it was just kind of weird. I didn't like Suicide Squad. So, you know, I have, I I'm in mixed feelings.
Speaker 2 00:03:59 You know, something Mar uh, Anthony that you said that really strikes me is that it didn't have a plan beforehand. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and it, it really feels like it didn't, even if there was one I always said ever since Manas Steel and then we got the Batman versus Superman, that it felt like they were trying to run so fast to being the Marvel Symmatic universe, that they weren't owning it. Like they weren't building up to it. Marvel took so many years of introducing these characters and playing with them individually before we had these big team ups. And, you know, we had Manas Steel Bandman versus Superman Justice League. Uh, granted we had Wonder Woman in there too, but there wasn't, by the time we got to the Justice League in Batman versus Superman, we were just kinda shoving characters together, expecting them to feel organic.
Speaker 2 00:04:43 And some of them worked and some of them didn't. And I think that there was just not this cohesive idea of what anyone wanted. And by the time we got to Justice League, I think that one of the biggest missteps that they had was, granted. It couldn't be, there wasn't anything that they could do about it. But when SS Snyder kind of left and Joss Whedon took over, there was definitely this point where it felt like there was a point of no return somewhere in this, somewhere in this chaotic mess. And then everything else just kind of fell off. Where some movies were good, some movies were not great. It depended on what world we were in. I mean, the Batman's fantastic, but, you know, it's not connected to Birds of Prey and it's not, you know, wonder Woman, 90 84 wasn't great, but the first one was good and it was a mess.
Speaker 1 00:05:26 I wonder some of that too. Um, like if some of that's totally, because the films are just so different. Like, so the M C U has films that are, and TV shows that are totally different. Like Moon Night is different than the Ragnar Off, but you, like, it still feels like the same cohesive universe. Like you guys said the the plan, but Wonder Woman feels totally different than Batman. It's just, there's, there's, there's some missing magic there.
Speaker 3 00:05:57 <affirmative> easily, I think they saw too many dollar signs and missed the whole point of the character studies that Marvel gave us on a lot of these movies and, and spent time with them before shoving them all together. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and you know, you have to watch the extended edition of Superman versus Batman to actually get a better story of it all because of how they chopped it up. And, you know, they shoved in Wonder Woman into the movie too. Okay, now we moved to Justice League and you've forced Cyborg and Flash in there. And then Akerman shows up too. Like, all right. But I think why we enjoyed it so much on the side is because we had that buildup of seeing them kind of interact a nice little post credit scene, and then boom, they actually had something to work towards versus like world ending issue. All of a sudden just League has to form. And these people have never spoken to each other before, and now they're working together, at least with like the Avengers, they've spoken once, twice worked together, done something.
Speaker 1 00:07:00 I think you nailed it too, with the personal stuff, because, you know, on the DC side of things, there aren't a lot of, there, there are not personal stakes as much. Um, I, I go back to Wonder Woman again 'cause it felt like we really understood her motivations in the first film. And like, there was that personal character development where, I don't know if, I don't think the other movies had that as much.
Speaker 2 00:07:24 And something though that really sticks out to me about DC was that at this time that they were building this world, we were also had a television world that was being built mm-hmm. <affirmative> the Arrowverse. And they were doing it so well. Yeah. Where like, we had a few seasons of Arrow, you know, like in the second season they introduced us, introduced us to Barry, but he wasn't The Flash. And then he became The Flash and they had this organic world being built and they had the time to spend with these characters. You know, you're spending 22 episodes mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, a season and it's slowly built out to you where you had 5, 6, 7 shows going at one time. And that felt great. And so to me it's kind of, it's, it's kind of hilarious 'cause we have this world where it worked and then on the cinematic side it wasn't working. And so where that disconnect was, I, I'm not quite so sure
Speaker 3 00:08:13 I don't either. <laugh> and I don't think they did either.
Speaker 1 00:08:16 <laugh>? No, I mean the, the, I think the TV side, you know, I, I really enjoyed the Arrowverse at the start. I think that it was cohesive, it was very well done. And it, again, it totally feels separate than, than the DC extended universe. D C E U, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>
Speaker 3 00:08:37 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:08:38 <affirmative>. And definitely something with the, the D C E U that I'll give it is that by the time we got to where James Gunn was a part of it, it did feel a little bit different. And for that, I'll say, as much as I did not, this suicide about wasn't my favorite film. It actually had color to it. It had, it had funniness, it like was a little more lighthearted where, you know, the rest of the, the Snyder verse was very dark and very realistic and very gritty, which is fine, except that we have to remember that we have an alien who wears his underpants on the outside flying around with a Cape <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:09:12 It's, it was a good old homeboy.
Speaker 2 00:09:14 Right. It's inherently funny. And so yes, we can make it serious, but the thing that James Gunn did is he did bring back the ridiculousness of it and like kind of played that up and accepted that, and then kind of rolled that over into peacemaker, which also like upped the ridiculousness. But like, we can accept that, that like, this is a superhero movie. It doesn't have to be realistic.
Speaker 1 00:09:36 Another superhero who also wore his underpants on the outside of his clothes, I think
Speaker 3 00:09:42 Who peacemaker?
Speaker 1 00:09:43 I thought so. Or am I thinking of another, another one? No, no, he
Speaker 3 00:09:47 Just, he, he wears the khaki like khakis.
Speaker 1 00:09:49 Oh, I'm just thinking of, but he does wear
Speaker 3 00:09:51 Then goes getup. Yeah. I mean, yeah, he did wear his underwear when he was wrestling. Yeah. I see where you go, you're thinking Go, yeah,
Speaker 2 00:09:57 <laugh>, we got there in the end. <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:10:00 <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:10:01 So where do you, where do you the two of you think this goes then? Because we still have so many movies that are already produced that, you know, James Gunn is gonna announce his plan come January. Or at least like an idea of it. But we already have so many more movies, like, you know, we just had Black Adam and we have Zza and Flash and Blue Beetle. There's, there's so many still coming out that are either filming or are done filming. What does that leave like, the world, the status of the DC universe? Well,
Speaker 3 00:10:28 I think that's the biggest question of it all. And people are just trying to figure it out. It's like, well, you just said you're switching everything up, but you have one, two, let's see, Aquaman, uh, blue Beetles, we
Speaker 2 00:10:40 Have five. We have five films.
Speaker 3 00:10:41 Yeah, five total. Okay. So you have five films that have yet to come out and, but no one knows what's the point. And I've seen arguments on Twitter saying, well, why should I go watch this movie? Well, I don't know, first off, to support the creators if you really want to be about it. But it's not a horrible question to ask. It's like, why do I wanna go spend time, watch this story, see what happened to this character and perhaps a post credit scene if it's never gonna pay off, I still want my two minutes back from the end of Spider-Man. Um, what do you call it? Homecoming? Because I never got Scorpion. And so thinking back to it, like, I feel the same way about this. Like, do I really want to go and spend the time to watch these movies if there's really nothing to go? Well yes, there's still gonna be good character studies, hopefully. Um, but it's just a matter of where do they land? Are they just gonna be an extended, extended universe? 'cause if you think about it now, with the multiverse going on with Marvel, spider-Man in the Amazing Spider-Man, or technically Cannon in there in a sense mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, and could this be somehow played into a similar situation? That's what I wanna know. If,
Speaker 1 00:11:50 If we, um, so there, there's a a promise with movies, right? So if, if we go see Shazam, if we go see Blue Beetle, is the, uh, like is the filmmakers' promise to us going to be broken? Are we gonna be entertained? Is there, if we invest emotionally in this universe, in these characters, our heart's just gonna be broken when oh, they decide it's not working, just forget all about 'em. Which DC has kind of broken that promise multiple times to, um, to the audience. And now granted that was under a different leadership, but still, you know, you have to win back that confidence and trust of the audience. And that's what DC doesn't have right now.
Speaker 2 00:12:32 Oh, absolutely. I I, I definitely felt myself, you know, in recent events that, which when we talk of the recent drama, I found myself almost like rolling my eyes. Like, I don't know how much longer I wanna buy into this. Like, yes, Superman is one of my favorite superheroes. I grew up with him. Like, I have all a lot of his comics, but how many times do we start stop with this promise before you just hop off the train and say it's not worth it anymore. And so I think that, that there's gonna be a lot of people that are in that boat, but it could be possible that as they're building up this world and as we start to see footage or castings and stuff, we may feel much more, um, we will feel better about what's coming.
Speaker 1 00:13:13 I think for those big Bo Box Office returns, you have to build the hype, right? You have to kind of show, because Black Adam, which was the most recent film, didn't have it, and it was reflected in the box office. They're just people were, eh. So I think it's going to be a lot of showing, you know, a little bit in advance, whether it's with teasers or just like showing fans that mm-hmm. <affirmative> the, the promise showing fans that, Hey, we, this could be good.
Speaker 3 00:13:41 And like Brian said, the, the, well, I don't know best word to use, but you kind of deceived Superman fans. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you brought Henry Keble back, you put 'em in there. You tell them, you even had him post on Instagram saying, Hey, I'm back. And then two months later, well, sorry, no more not doing that.
Speaker 2 00:14:00 I do think that like, first off, the only person that was hyped about Black Adam was the Rock. I, I swear at this point because there was no, like, there was promotion, but like, there was not the hype that I expected for that film, especially for a film that they were teasing was gonna be the changing of the hierarchy. Right. Like, who changed the hierarchy? It wasn't that gun
Speaker 3 00:14:24 <laugh>. True,
Speaker 2 00:14:25 True. Um, but there is so much that I feel like there was a lot of hope that that film was gonna do something, but there, the contingency plan was that if not, we need to change it. And that film did not perform the way that they wanted it to.
Speaker 1 00:14:41 Kind of didn't like Gun's reaction to the black Adam stuff. And I think he said like, well that was un not under my leadership or something like that, or that what film was, was done before me. And I just felt like that was throwing more people and more creatives under the bus, which I didn't like. Um, that just bothered me.
Speaker 2 00:15:06 No, that makes sense. It was a little, um, when the new, when the new Boss doesn't like the stuff that the old boss was doing, but you still have to play nice. Relatively, you know, like it was like the professional email hand handwash mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Yeah. Because there definitely seems like with him taking over that he already had a plan in place of what he wanted and this vision did not fit it.
Speaker 1 00:15:30 So we we're looking at several films. Right. We know. So Suzanne is the first one that comes out, I think, right? Or am I totally confused? Yep. And is it Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:15:41 No, the, it's the comes out, um, March 17th. It's the first one coming out of the, of the rest of the films. And that
Speaker 1 00:15:47 Was delayed, right? 'cause it was supposed to come out two days ago and they pushed it back. Yes. And this will be, this will be the first film that James Gunn has presumably been able to make an edit on, have notes on, because he'll have been there for several months now.
Speaker 2 00:16:04 Absolutely. This is, I would, I would say so just because, you know, I feel like part of this plan was already probably in place with the, the Suicide Squad and peacemaker, if at least not behind the scenes. Um, if the fact that this movie has been delayed so many times, I mean, when was it supposed to originally release? Was it supposed to originally released this weekend? It was like
Speaker 1 00:16:25 December 16th, but I don't know if that was delay. You know, that was another delay.
Speaker 2 00:16:29 Um Right. That was a second delay. I'm pretty sure. And with that, you know, this, you're right, he's gonna have some kind of vision or say in what happens in this film. And the fact that I think that as we talked before off screen, the Peter Saffron's company's actually one of the people that is producing that film and is attached to a few of the films that have already come out and quite a few of the ones that are coming out. So I feel like there's a lot mm-hmm. <affirmative> and Aquaman. Yep. And so there's actually gonna be a lot of, I don't wanna say say, but like, there's gonna be a, some direction probably given by the two heads of Studio.
Speaker 1 00:17:15 Do you think that, so of the new films, what has the most promise for you guys? Or of the, the upcoming films?
Speaker 3 00:17:25 Blue Beatle.
Speaker 2 00:17:27 I knew you were gonna say that. Red <laugh>. I knew it. It was a given.
Speaker 3 00:17:29 It was a given. You know, I was gonna say that I like Olo Marna and, and the whole aspect of it just seems interesting. The fact that it's gonna be probably be set in Texas for a little bit of it. Yeah. You knew I was gonna say that when I know everybody in their mother knew. I was gonna say it, <laugh>. It's a,
Speaker 2 00:17:44 It's a good pick.
Speaker 3 00:17:45 It's also a new character that's, that's due to be on the screen. Like, I'll be honest, talking man once, and I've, and didn't grab me and I've probably never re-watched it and I didn't, nothing against, um, um, Jason. But I, I don't think he's the best actor. Um, I would actually rather prefer to see him as Lobo, which I, he's shown interest in. That's actually pretty cool. 'cause that's a whole other conversation. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But I think with Blue Beetle, they need that young character in the sense that some, I don't wanna say, I'm sorry for saying this, but like Spider-Man, like a young relatable hero that young people can see themselves in. 'cause like Wonder Woman is older, you know, Superman, older Batman that they had before was older and the current Batman they have is already a young adult. Like this one will kind of fill in that little teenage role that, um, I've never really seen with dc. 'cause even then Flash is still also an adult.
Speaker 2 00:18:46 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,
Speaker 1 00:18:48 He feels very like this, this film feels very fresh and it feels very different. And the poster looks amazing. I think it was just released recently, the teaser poster. And they sent it to a few very lucky, uh, film reviewers, um, for Christmas. And I just think that even the, like the suit that we saw pictures of just looks really cool. Um,
Speaker 3 00:19:10 Even without the practical effects on it. Like literally just the raw one already looks amazing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> looks
Speaker 2 00:19:16 So sweet. You know, with that though, on the, speaking of the poster, um, when it was sent out to people and there was pictures taken, it said actually on the back, this is just the beginning mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And something that you kind of pointed out ala about Shazam is that this poster came out kind of after James Gunn took over. And so I feel like there was probably some say in this. So I, part of me is wondering like, there's been rumors. This is starting a new world. This is starting a new, um, a universe. Is it the right call to take such a young character that's maybe not widely known by a lot of non-com book readers to be the first character that's gonna carry a new universe? Like that seems like a real risk to me.
Speaker 1 00:19:59 Well, it's something that Gun has done before though, right? He did it in 2014 and Beyond with The Guardians, and he did it. Um, he, he did it to some extent with Peacemaker. I don't know if Peacemakers beloved. Um, but you know, he these kind of obscure dudes and obscure characters that, you know, you have some room to play with there and you have some room to make people care about them because there isn't quite as much, um, storytelling baggage or, you know, film baggage there.
Speaker 2 00:20:30 No, that makes sense. Because you kind of can di you can say what it's gonna be this, this time around. You get to have that character be who you want it to be. Um, but also keeping it hopefully true to those people like Anthony who are mm-hmm. <affirmative> hardcore Beatle fans. Um, to go back though, ala to your question there, I feel like there's quite a few good movies. I am excited for Shazam just because I thought that the first one was good. Ooh, <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:20:59 <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:21:00 This might, this might be the hot take of the night. I'm actually excited for The Flash and not because of the actor that is in the role mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but just because that film looked crazy in the footage that we have already seen. And Michael Keaton's coming back as Batman and we're getting, uh, a live action movie, Supergirl. And I've, it has the potential to be so awesome. What's gonna suck though is that if it doesn't pay off because the world is going away, like we're gonna get this huge setup, this huge reset, and then there's gonna be an even harder reset that just clears the board as we're guessing with the Superman news. You know? So I am, I'm am interested, but, uh, that one's gonna be, I think, gonna be a huge film.
Speaker 1 00:21:45 I almost feel it's bittersweet a little bit because of how, you know, the, the CW shows and all that kind of mm-hmm. <affirmative> all of their fate. So, you know, I know that, that, that is kind of a challenge for me. And I have a very hard time, um, separating the arc from the artist in the case of Flash. So I don't even know if I'm going to see it based on all of the, the offscreen like drama. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 2 00:22:14 I do wanna preface by saying that I am, I am not gonna be seeing it in theaters. I'll wait until John h b o max. But I am excited. Just hopefully the story's gonna be good. I've heard that people who have, who have seen it, the rumors are that it's a really good film. Um, right. Anthony? Is that what we're kind of hearing?
Speaker 3 00:22:32 Yeah, no, I've, I've heard on multiple occasions that from the test screening shown that it actually is a good film. The plot's good, the acting is good. The, the story's great. So I'm interested, like y'all, I probably won't watch it in theaters unless I win another contest and get another set of free passes and maybe like, we're hoping for you coming outta my pocket. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. I had a great guess on that one thing with oh oh seven that one time. But, uh, but, uh, I like the fact that they're doing Keaton. It's just like we, we were all talking about in the beginning and at this point, was it even really worth it? Assuming with Gun at the helm now he could rework the final bits of it and change it and like I was saying, first open the multiverse and kind of push a big reset button for himself. But remind me, does Aman come out before or after this movie?
Speaker 2 00:23:29 After
Speaker 1 00:23:30 It comes out in 2024, right? Or at 20, very late. Oh,
Speaker 2 00:23:35 Christmas next year. And uh, the Flash comes out June of this year.
Speaker 3 00:23:40 Yeah. And see that's where I think it would be best to have the Flash as the last one. 'cause then you can push that big reset button and everything that happened before. But, uh,
Speaker 2 00:23:51 Especially 'cause the Flash is coming out in June and, but Blue Beadles coming out in August. So like you could have hit that refresh. I think doing something original or like we've seen in some comics, but maybe not in the TV show, is have the Flash reset it and have him like, disappear into it happened what Young Justice, where he like disappears into the ether and, and there's a new flash that takes up or there's a new version of the Flash, but a different actor, um, have that happen. Bluebe starts that off. But you're right, Aquaman's the one that's kind of holding that all up because it's gonna be the wrench in this whole plan. If you could have had to continue all into one stream with a reset, with a flash, but the Aquaman's holding it up,
Speaker 3 00:24:31 The reset doesn't, you know what they
Speaker 1 00:24:32 Could've done. Sorry.
Speaker 3 00:24:34 No, you Well, I was just thinking about what they could've done is they could have canceled Aquaman instead of Back Girl. 'cause he Keaton was in that one and it would've made a lot more sense.
Speaker 2 00:24:44 Agreed.
Speaker 1 00:24:46 I just think that the reset doesn't apply to those in water. So that's gonna be my end universe Logic. So anybody, everything above under the Sea. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:24:56 <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:24:56 So Aerial Safe is what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 00:24:59 E Exactly. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:25:02 Uh, and it doesn't even take into account too that like, granted this is a different world, but the Joker, the sequel to the Joker is still coming out too, and that's coming out in October of 2024. And they're filming that currently. Yeah. Um, it just change it. I think that it add adds to the fact that like, things like the Batman sequel might still be safe because it's its own universe and people really loved that. Um, I've never seen The Joker, but I hear people love that. Um, so I think that made that if
Speaker 3 00:25:28 You a Taxi driver, it's the same movie. I know.
Speaker 2 00:25:32 Haven't,
Speaker 3 00:25:32 You know, this is true. Yeah, it is all And the funny part, you
Speaker 2 00:25:35 Know why I haven't seen that movie?
Speaker 3 00:25:36 Both of those <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:25:39 Robert De Niro was in Joker <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:25:43 Oh boy. Nobody tell him.
Speaker 2 00:25:46 I legitimately did not know that.
Speaker 3 00:25:48 Did you not, you haven't seen the movie? Yeah, no. He, he's a very important part of the movie in in Joker, especially at the end.
Speaker 1 00:25:56 I think you have to see it now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:25:58 Maybe it's, it's going on the watch list. <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:26:01 <laugh>. Um, so that, that, you know, what does that mean for the Joker? What does it mean for all of these things that are stragglers and where do they fit in?
Speaker 3 00:26:12 I just don't think it's a bad idea for them to have that essentially have Joker, which is his own thing, doing something over there, having the Batman doing its own thing over there. 'cause we know Penguin is what, shooting next month or something. Or they're starting
Speaker 1 00:26:25 I think
Speaker 3 00:26:26 So. Like, that's still moving. That hasn't stopped. Right. Peacemaker is supposed Season two is supposed to be moving. That's not stopping. So
Speaker 1 00:26:36 Do you guys have any question or any worry that, so the the gun maybe is too ambitious with this right now because, so, you know, with Marvel there's been a lot of talk about Kevin Fige maybe spreading himself too thin, and the rumors reportedly with, with Gun and that he's gonna write the new Superman movie. He's writing the next peacemaker season. You know, he's doing, he's gonna have this heavy hand in development and, and all these scripts. Is this maybe too much to start off with?
Speaker 2 00:27:10 I do wonder if he's gonna go the route of like a James Patterson where he starts the idea, he starts the chapters, but he has someone really help work with him to fi those off. I mean, he, you think about it, he's also working, still working on Guardians of the Galaxy while he's doing all of this. Yeah. He seems to think that he has all the time in the world. So it's possible that he could, I think that there's gonna have to be some changes. And I'm wondering, one of the things that's gonna happen is the things like the Penguin and the Batman universe and all of these ss stragglers are going to give the buffer to get all the writing done and everything situated. And we're not gonna really see the new DC Universe take off until like 20, 27, 20 28, where you're going to have all of this cushion, hopefully to restart everything then. And, and, and you can still have those stories finish up, wrap itself up and see where they go from there. So I'm, I'm wondering if that's gonna be something that happens. And that's why he's working really hard to have, um, everything start now, so that like he has time. Yeah. Um, but I guess it's really hard to kind of tell, well,
Speaker 1 00:28:15 This development isn't fast. Right? You still, right. We were just talking about the movies planned out for the next couple years, whatever movie it, you can't just turn around and make a movie. You have to have script reproduction, all of that stuff. Then that takes time.
Speaker 3 00:28:30 And so you asked, do you think he's spreading himself then? I think Yes. Short answer, yes, he is. And another thing is, he still has to market guardians even after mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he's done working on it. Like that's gonna keep him busy for a good what month. That's a good amount of time when you're a co c e o in charge of a lot of things. Um, but the one thing we haven't discussed is who wants to work with Warner Brothers at this point with the way they've been treating the, you know, some of the talent. Like
Speaker 1 00:28:57 Absolutely.
Speaker 3 00:28:57 Do actors really wanna sign up if they're gonna like, lose it right after? Do directors wanna work if their movie's gonna get cut? Do you want writers who are just gonna get thrown away? Like people have to consider like, this is a job for 'em at the same time? You know, it might be a labor love, but people still want to get paid and know that they're doing something that contributes. And if you're gonna go and spend all this time writing, directing, just to get your movie thrown away when it's almost done back Girl <laugh>. So why, why, why would you feel any confidence in the com The corporation itself? I mean, we, we talk about it as fans, but you also have to think of it on the business side. Like, do I really want to work with this company at the end of the day because for all I know, this work will never come to fruition. I won't have that on my resume. So I can't go to my next job saying, look, I worked on Back Girl. Well, no one got to see it. So no one knows how good it could have been.
Speaker 1 00:29:49 And this is a problem that extends past DC too. It's the, the greater H b o, like, like you said, or the greater, uh, Warner, like you said, because we, we just got the news the other day that mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like Westworld was being disappeared from H B O reportedly over crew royalties and crew, um, residuals. Which is just, is that why? Yeah. Yeah, that's, apparently, that seems to be the running rumor and that's just like despicable, like, because it's such an inconsequential amount of money. But, you know, once that came out, there were all these stories about, um, just studios and stuff being petty over money and people could totally believe that, you know, that was why. And like today, the Garita, or not today, a couple days ago, the Garita Chronicles are being disappeared from H B O. Like just you make stuff with, as an artist, with the hope that people will see it and then it's just gone. Um, that's hard.
Speaker 2 00:30:47 You know? I do, I I think that there's a lot of things that are going through my head. You know, one of the things I, as we've been talking about quite commonly is we have the factor in the fact that there's a probably a writer strike coming up too mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so like, that's gonna set everything back and, or it's gonna all fall onto James Gun's shoulders to carry it all. You know, and I, I, I think, Anthony, you have a great point because I know as a fan, when we, from Black Adam having Henry Cave in the role as Superman, he announced he was coming back a few weeks later, he's no longer coming back. I lost confidence in them as an actor. I would be, I would be very hesitant to act with them. And so I wonder if one of the things that you're gonna see is that, um, it's gonna be a smaller circle of people who are going for James Gunn and not for people who are going for DC Like, you know, it's gonna be his friends, like he loves to do anyways.
Speaker 2 00:31:41 But those people who he can pull over, like Dave Batista and anyone from the Guardians that loves him are gonna maybe would go over because it's him and not because of H B O or because of DC or because of Warn Brothers, but it's still scary when, at any time something could be pulled. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like, I love Time Traveler's, wife. I would've watched that series over and over and over again. It's gone now. I have no way of watching it. And like that as a fan, that sucks. But as, as a creator, I would be devastated. And so I wouldn't wanna put my money into that basket.
Speaker 3 00:32:15 And now thinking about the talent that's walking away, Yaya, Abdul Matin, I believe is going to Wonderman or something. He is mm-hmm. <affirmative> stepping Away and he was a good black man to, so he's still gonna show up in the second movie if, as I understand it. But I'm sure after that he, he's kind of like, all right, lemme get this paycheck, get this movie done. I'm done working with y'all. I'm gonna go to Marvel where they, you know, keep the talent happy. Minus that one time it was Scarlet Johansson <laugh>, but <laugh>, but they rectified it in the end. They came back and they took care of it. I mean, now she's tied to produce a movie or something. So they came
Speaker 1 00:32:51 To an agreement there, there was something there. So they, they, they're good. They
Speaker 3 00:32:54 Managed to work it out. And like, versus DC we're like, like we were just mentioning with Henry in, and then out within two months. And like, I, if I understand correctly as well, that it was a verbal agreement. It was not written mm-hmm. <affirmative>, so mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I don't think a lot of actors are gonna be like, yeah, sign me up for that. You know, I'll have a job. 'cause he walked away from the Witcher not to do that, but for other reasons. But that was another one. And so why give up any recurring job you may already have on a series or another movie or something to step onto that.
Speaker 2 00:33:28 And I think though too, while that it wasn't the only, that wasn't the reason why he technically left the Witcher, or that's what rumor says. I think it definitely plays a part if DC comes in and is like, Hey, we want you back for this movie, this movie, this movie. And you're on a series that you're not happy on, or you're gonna jump at that opportunity where maybe you would've stayed around a little bit longer on a series you weren't happy if, if you could justify that because there wasn't this big role. And I feel like it's just, again, showing like a lot of mismanagement in the, in the DC studios at large. Because at that point, I'm sure that there was some talks with James Gunn and they still went forth with kind of announcing that he was, they had Henry Cville kind of announced he was coming back, and that just felt like a big yikes moment. And when all of a sudden mm-hmm. A few weeks later we were backtracking and he is like, yeah, we love Henry Keville, but we're not bringing him back. We're going in a different direction. And it just felt like nobody was talking to each other.
Speaker 1 00:34:28 I think that if I were Cave's agent, I would be worried about, uh, you know, because he, the agent has made assurances to his client too. And it just seems like you said, nobody is talking to each other. And I think, um, you know, I think like was mentioned too, that gun maybe, maybe gun is a stabilizing force in that case. Gun can, um, make assurances based on his word. And now his word means something to his friends and to people who have worked with him before that if you come and work on this project, I will make sure it gets done. It's gonna happen. Whereas if, if DC had hired somebody else, then it wouldn't, you know, that word may not have been as, um, as meaningful.
Speaker 2 00:35:11 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I mean that makes, that makes perfect sense. I I do wonder though, the, the, the, the, the behind the scenes talks that are gonna be happening to get these, the Justice League back, you know, you're gonna have these main seven characters that they're gonna be gunning for. Especially if Superman is one of the first ones they really wanna build up and they want to go younger. I feel like it's gonna take a lot of convincing to get the exact actors that you want to play those roles. Especially when Marvel just keeps announcing projects and keeps getting people attached. And while they may will play nice, that's not necessarily always, that's not always necessarily gonna work out. So I'm, I'm interested to see what happens here. I
Speaker 1 00:35:52 Think that the Superman casting, you know, it's gonna be like, like the Spider-Man casting, right? It's gonna be subject to a lot of rumor. It's gonna be one of those really coveted things just 'cause the fact it is Superman and it's such an iconic role. Like when supposedly, like if, if you've played Superman in life, like you always be remembered for that. Like, that is, it's a career defining thing. Like if you play Bond or something, even if mm-hmm. <affirmative>, maybe you weren't good as that. Um, and I'm, you know, you mentioned that they were talking about maybe going younger, and I think that's also an interesting space to go from story-wise, because we a lot of times with these, the superhero things, like we've seen the origin over and over and over. We've seen Batman's parents die a million times. I feel like
Speaker 2 00:36:37 No more <laugh>. Right.
Speaker 1 00:36:40 But, you know, I, I don't know, do you guys feel like we've seen him come to the Daily Planet and leave Kansas and, you know, start meet Lois and all of that? Because I think I'm forgetting, which I think it's the plan. Yeah. But we saw that, right? I'm, I'm forgetting which movie it was and which actor
Speaker 3 00:36:57 Superman Returns.
Speaker 1 00:36:59 No, I'm thinking Yeah, that exactly. Yep. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:37:02 The 2006 one.
Speaker 2 00:37:04 Right. I mean, think about it though. We've had this in Smallville, we've had this in, we've had this in Manas Steel. 'cause that's when he shows up and goes like, I feel like we had this on the animated. Like there's been, so this has been done to death. Like, you're right. Same with like, I don't want to see the Waynes killed again. Like there almost need to be a move past that. And that's the one thing I loved about The Bad Man is that there wasn't, we didn't have to rehash all this bo like the story we already know. And kinda like Spider-Man, spider-Man did the same thing where it came back. He was super young, but we didn't have to talk about that. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 00:37:37 <affirmative>. Yep. Yep. I don't really need to see him get bit by the Spider. I don't need to see him like lose his dad in Kansas. Like, you know, they can do something very simple like have a newspaper clipping or something on his fridge while he's doing something. Like, let's spend the time with the character and do a little bit more. Uh, at this point I feel general audiences understand <laugh>, what happened to Superman, what happened to Batman, what happened to Spider-Man? Which is why I'm like kind of really excited about Blue Beetle. 'cause not a lot of people know that setup.
Speaker 1 00:38:10 I have no idea what it is. I just know that it looks cool that like what
Speaker 3 00:38:14 We are saying, it's the scare that he gets. Yeah, yeah. No, it's, I I'm actually quite excited for, for whatever it is. And even if they do an origin story, cool, that means we get to spend time in Texas. I'm happy with that, but,
Speaker 1 00:38:23 And, but like you said, we don't know, like his origin isn't, is like, isn't as enshrined in in our thoughts as Spider-Man is. Superman is Batman. So like I'm totally cool seeing a new origin story.
Speaker 3 00:38:36 Yeah. But as far as Superman, I, you know, I do wanna spend time with Clark Kent too. And that's the other half of it. Like, at least with the Batman, we spent a little bit of time with Bruce Wayne and those parts were good, you know, at the funeral when he was doing stuff or spending time with, um, Alfred, like those are great scenes. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, can we do the same with Superman? Can we see him actually, you know, working a story or can we see him interacting with Lois? You know, that's what I'm, that's what I'm most hopeful for when they do this new Superman movie. I
Speaker 1 00:39:08 Go back to the original Lois and Clark from 94, 93, like the old series, and I think they showed him like just being Clark Kent really well. And I think the pilot showed him getting an apartment and it was like super beat up and messed up. And like, we see him using his superpowers, like just fixing it up instantly and just, you know, I think stuff like that is really fun. And I like seeing that the, like how the superpowers could help Clark Kent just in daily life.
Speaker 2 00:39:40 You know, something that Superman and Lois the new one does really well, is that they were already established and when the show started, you know, he's been Superman forever and they've been married for a long time. They have teenage sons and they're the ones that are coming into their powers. And like, that was really interesting because mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we didn't have to tread the whole going to Metropolis getting the job. Like at this point they're moving back to Smallville to take over Martha Kent's, you know, uh, farm. And like, there is, there was a better dynamic there. I think that was really interesting. I think if you're gonna do it, we have to do something different. We can't just do the same thing. If you're gonna do a Batman don't do year one again, please. Like, like let's not, I also, I'm wondering though, and I guess I wanna know what your guys' thoughts are is, do we need an individual project for every single member of the original seven? Like, do we actually need another Aquaman movie or another Batman movie telling a story? Or is there a more interesting way to do it?
Speaker 1 00:40:36 I mean, I totally want more movies. <laugh>. I, I liked Aquaman and I liked, I liked the New Batman. Um, so I, I am all for more movies. I like the exp so I think that something maybe is lost a little bit is the experience of going to a movie theater and seeing something on the big screen. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I want movies that you have to see on the big screen for these characters. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, because I think that just like, that's half the fun. So give me more Blockbusters, <laugh>,
Speaker 3 00:41:08 You mentioned earlier in the podcast how in the Arrowverse you had Barry Allen showing up, you know? Mm-hmm. Why do we have to make that exclusive to TV shows? Like we can do it in movies. Sure. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we did it with Batman versus Superman. One woman shows up all of a sudden Diana Prince has a little passing moment talking to Bruce Wayne. Like, that was great. That actually worked out really good. Yeah. 'cause you introduced the character, you got to hear a theme song. She showed up and kicked some ass. Cool. Let's do that again and then boom. Okay, now we can do a movie. We don't have to retread as much and then move forward and tell the story you actually had in mind. Because I like that when we're spending 30, 40 minutes establishing the powers and everything that happened before, that's a good chunk of movie that could do a number of things.
Speaker 2 00:41:51 You know, for someone like Batman, I honestly love to see like him established and already have a Robin and just jumping into a story where it's, it's a different dynamic of than just a lone Batman who, you know, we have so many lone Batmans who are, you know, doing it by themselves and it would be nice to just try something different. I think that that's why I think maybe a mixture of like, especially if we keep something like H b o Max, I'm think I've heard that they're going by Max now potentially of doing a mix, doing that mixture, you know, of like, you have some TV shows, you have some movies, but they're all just as important kind of like the mcu and that you don't necessarily have to, not everyone, I don't think every one story is special enough to be in a movie, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 00:42:33 See, that's, I'm curious, have y'all ever read Superman for all seasons?
Speaker 1 00:42:38 I have not. No.
Speaker 2 00:42:39 No.
Speaker 3 00:42:40 I, it's four issues. Okay. It's, they're very easy to read. They have some of the best scenes. Have y'all watched the most recent season of the Boys?
Speaker 1 00:42:51 Yes.
Speaker 2 00:42:51 You know, the remember answer to
Speaker 3 00:42:52 That? So you remember the scene where Homelanders talking to that girl on top of that building mm-hmm. <affirmative> mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that was like a complete script flip from one of the opening parts of Superman for all seasons, where he talks to this suicide girl and he actually, like, he was just very calm about it. He listened to her, you know, psychiatrist over here, hear me out, <laugh> Brian, this means you mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so he, he has a moment where he talks her down and, and they've got a spotlight on her and it's really intense, but he manages to take care of her and, and, um, it's that humanity mm-hmm. <affirmative> in him that I think we haven't seen in a movie properly. Sure. Like they show the Superpowered, you know, Kian alien great, but they've never actually shown the endearing side that really want him over with the masses over the 70, 80 years of print because he's a warm character. He makes you feel good inside. Um, thinking back to Shazam, at the very end of the scene what happens, he shows up to go have lunch with those kids because he knows how much of an impact that would be. <laugh> like those little moments and with, with like for all seasons would be a nice little adaptation just because they're showing not just the, the power that he physically has, but like the mental and emotional one, which I feel has been completely glossed over.
Speaker 1 00:44:20 And if I, if I remember right, and I could totally be wrong, I think that first scene in Superman and Lois kind of, um, made an attempt to show that warmth, right. Because he was, was there with the kids or maybe it was just the, the commercial. Mm-hmm. And I think, you know, there like, there was that trying to bring that back and I think, you know, that, that had the potential to be super effective.
Speaker 2 00:44:42 Are you talking about the scene where he talks about his suit?
Speaker 3 00:44:45 Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 00:44:46 That was, that was honestly the moment that he won me over. Mm-hmm. And he's actually, my, my version of Superman that I love so much is because he was genuinely excited. 'cause his mom made him a suit and he shared that with the kids. And there's tons of moments in Superman and Lois where he does that. You know, he's the, the coach to the football team and he's, you know, he goes to the diner and eats dinner with his fam. Like I, it's just done really well. And I do hope that does make it through the transition of DC Studios because I have a feeling it's gonna be canceled. But if they're gonna bring these movies, I hope that they, they do it right like that. Like bring Superman's light. He is the idea of, you know, metropolis is this bright and promise of a happy future and he is that promise. He is the promise of hope. And so like, bring, bring that back to him. Like, we don't need dark and gritty Superman. That's not who he is. Here's
Speaker 1 00:45:42 A wrap.
Speaker 3 00:45:43 I wanna say one thing real quick because you just mentioned that fun fact, that scene about the cool my mom made it for me came from for all seasons
Speaker 2 00:45:52 For
Speaker 1 00:45:52 Oh really? Perfect.
Speaker 3 00:45:54 It, it, it's a cool, so he's, he's whizzing by a building and this kid's about to walk off the edge of a building and hat he picks up the hat, gives it to him, oh, cool. Costume. And he is like, yeah, thanks. My mom made it for me. And it's almost the same costume that you see in the show. The briefs are a little bit darker, but Yeah. Now when you said, I'm like, oh, that's awesome. You guys have to read it. I absolutely like begging you to read
Speaker 1 00:46:16 It. I made a note of it, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna look into it.
Speaker 2 00:46:18 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> same.
Speaker 1 00:46:19 Yeah. Now I, so I have kind of like a, maybe a radical question for you guys. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, you know, we've talked about Superman. We've talked maybe a little bit about recasting him. Do you think Tyler Hale could be, could he be the movie Superman?
Speaker 2 00:46:37 A hundred percent <laugh> Anthony <laugh>?
Speaker 3 00:46:41 The only reason why I say is 'cause they said they were going younger. I mean, they're not really gonna grab a guy who's already got two kids. Could could he have the potential to do it? Yeah, absolutely. I would love to see him do the big screen. I just from what it
Speaker 1 00:46:52 Could be an origin, like a a, you know, a not de thing fast forward, but,
Speaker 3 00:46:57 Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 00:47:00 I mean, he's 35 years old, so he is probably too old for what they're looking for because I'm guessing they're looking for someone more in like 20, 22 area. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I would love that. I think that he is, he's really good at embodying that. Which is interesting because compared to his character, which where I met him was Teen Wolf. He was very angsty and covered in blood all the time and hated everybody. So like this is a very interesting change in dynamics for him. And he, he kills it every episode.
Speaker 3 00:47:29 I was just thinking I would like to see a different villain versus Lex Luther, you know, just somebody mm-hmm. Brainiac. They have never done him before on big screen. So like why not bring him in? Um,
Speaker 2 00:47:41 Especially when you were talking of, you know, the reason it came out that Mansel two was gonna be brainiac so that idea's already in their head. So it'd be a natural progression to just try something new.
Speaker 1 00:47:52 I don't want that anymore though. Yep.
Speaker 2 00:47:54 No more
Speaker 1 00:47:54 Sauce, no z no more Lex. Let's
Speaker 2 00:47:56 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. They're old, they're tired. Let's do something new.
Speaker 3 00:48:01 I don't mind the concept of Lex, but he shouldn't be like the main villain. He shouldn't be in the front. He should be kinda like how they did with Zach Snyder's Justice League that he's pulling strings behind the curtain. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> sort of like make him a recurring thing, but not the main thing is would be best.
Speaker 1 00:48:17 Well, so have you seen Lex in Titans?
Speaker 3 00:48:22 I haven't watched Titans.
Speaker 1 00:48:23 Okay. So Brian, yes. What do you think about, so if, if Lex were to come back like Lex, you know, uh, like that.
Speaker 2 00:48:34 So just, you know, Anthony, just to give you a little information about him, he was a spoiler alert. He was Lex who was dying mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And he wants to meet Connor who is half his d n a. And so he still has this like evil mastermind to him, but like in a very like, loving father way, it's like a very interesting dynamic. Um, there was moments where I had chills down my spine at the same time that I wanted to like actually like him. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I think that would be a very interesting way to bring him back. Maybe a more humanized version. 'cause l is just this like evil mastermind that doesn't have a lot of humanization. Even looking back,
Speaker 1 00:49:10 He's a cartoon in Yeah. In the movies.
Speaker 2 00:49:13 Even in the shows, if you look at Smallville, I mean he literally mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he starts off as a friend, but he becomes just this evil mastermind. And John Crier in the Arrowverse, he's fantastic, but he's just a megalomaniac. Um, this one had a lot of human humanism to him that I really liked. So I think that that'd be an awesome way to bring it back though. I have to ask both of you, is there already someone you have in mind for, like when you, when they said they were casting Superman, did anybody come to mind at all?
Speaker 3 00:49:45 No.
Speaker 1 00:49:46 No. I, I, no. Nope.
Speaker 3 00:49:48 Okay. I'm not a fan caster, I just kind of roll with it. I, I focus more on what story they're gonna tell versus who they're gonna put up for it. And so in this case, I just hope that they do get someone quite young to nail that, you know, fresh outta college sort of face there. There's plenty of actors I'm sure that could do it. I just also, you have to think of somebody who can commit to doing it for a while if that's the
Speaker 1 00:50:12 Thing that's,
Speaker 3 00:50:13 You know,
Speaker 1 00:50:13 Someone younger than is
Speaker 3 00:50:15 Someone looks at Yeah. But then they start committing themselves so they're series and this and that and then all of a sudden, you know, it's like can't fulfill the commitments. So
Speaker 1 00:50:24 If, if they do, you know, if they do recast with someone younger, I I do assume that they're going to want to get some type of like 10 year commitment or something from them. Just if, if they're trying to build what they say they're trying to build.
Speaker 2 00:50:38 Yeah, sure. I will say that there was someone that came to mind instantaneously when they said this, and I don't know if this gonna be a hot take or not. Okay. Um, I need to hear, I think, I think that if he bump, if he buffed up a little bit, Timothy Shala May would be a great Clark. He's got the hair, he's got the skin, he is got the face. He
Speaker 1 00:51:00 Was almost Spider-Man, wasn't he?
Speaker 2 00:51:03 No. Was he,
Speaker 1 00:51:04 No. Or is he just friends with Tom Holland? No, he did, he, he auditioned for Spider-Man. Yeah. He auditioned. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:51:12 That's weird. 'cause Well, I'm just thinking that he, um, Leo DiCaprio told him, I wanna say last year, he is like, don't do drugs and don't do superhero movies. <laugh>. That was his advice to him, him at a war show. And he said, I'm gonna listen to both of those. I'm like, okay, well probably better for you.
Speaker 1 00:51:31 Yeah. So, no,
Speaker 2 00:51:36 I would say either to him or the kid from Stranger Things would also be a good one. Uh, the guy, the kid that played Will, what is his name? Um, you
Speaker 1 00:51:44 Know what you mean?
Speaker 3 00:51:45 I'll look it up.
Speaker 1 00:51:47 <laugh> the miracle of the internet. But
Speaker 2 00:51:49 He would be such a good Noah. Noah Schnap. He's only 18 though, so he'd be super young. But he would be a good, he would fit the park 'cause he has the acting chops.
Speaker 3 00:52:05 Yeah. Yeah. And by the time they actually get around to it, he would've gotten older. So Yeah. I can see your, I see the, the thought process there. Not a bad idea.
Speaker 2 00:52:16 I won't fan cast anybody else, I'm promise. But they, I'm just think that there's, they have to get the right, they, they have to nail the casting for almost all seven of the main Justice League.
Speaker 3 00:52:26 Yep.
Speaker 2 00:52:27 Because I think that there's gonna be so many people that are waiting for them to fail now. That if you don't nail that, you're already off to a bad start. I don't know. That might not, that might not be something that they're worried about. Like, in my head that's what I'm thinking. Like you're already up a pill battle.
Speaker 1 00:52:40 So I just looked at one of these fan cast things because I was curious what other names people had had put in the, you know, ring mm-hmm. <affirmative> and somebody suggested Michael B. Jordan. And I think I love that.
Speaker 3 00:52:52 I saw that on Twitter too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:52:54 Isn't he too old though? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:52:56 That's my, my
Speaker 3 00:52:57 Word. Yeah, that's the thing. Too old.
Speaker 1 00:52:58 But he would be amazing.
Speaker 2 00:53:01 He would, and wasn't he originally attached to a version of
Speaker 1 00:53:05 Man of Steel? Man? He wanted to develop one. Yeah. Because he's apparently a super fan of it. So that would've been cool.
Speaker 2 00:53:14 He would've been really, really good. But I think they, they do definitely have to nail the castings, otherwise they're already losing <laugh>. No, they,
Speaker 1 00:53:25 They need their own Sarafin or Sarah Hailey Finn. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:53:29 She's the casting director for Marvel, right? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 00:53:32 <affirmative>. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 00:53:33 <affirmative>. One thing I am a little bit, I don't wanna say relieved, but um, well I'll use relief for this case is that with James Gunn and the way he interacts with Twitter, and I know it's not everybody's cup of tea, but at least it'll like, kill just crazy rumors and things that people just say out loud. So like when somebody says, I heard such and such got cast, he's gonna come out and say, nah bro, that ain't right. Just, no. So
Speaker 2 00:54:00 On the flip side of that, do you like that he is like, with the Superman announcement of, you know, we're going in a different direction. Henry Enrique Bill's not with us anymore. Do you like that he is announcing it that way? 'cause it feels like, it's like we've had like this structure for so long in Hollywood where it's like trades announce it and then you announce it at like a convention and then everybody's hyped and like this just like took that out and just like, here everybody, this is the direction we're going to, and I love the candor. Like, I think that that is really interesting. It's the new fresh take, but does it like cut through like the, the hype ness?
Speaker 3 00:54:37 Yeah. I mean, it can kill a little bit of the hype, but I think it's just the cut and dry of it. That's just the way he is. That, you know, now this is essentially his company. So Nisha's gonna switch up how he's gonna be done. Will they still do Comic-Con? I mean Yeah. You can't miss that.
Speaker 2 00:54:53 They ha they have to, right?
Speaker 1 00:54:55 I, yeah, I think, I think the comic-con announcements are like, cool. I like that. And I think that's, I think that's more so for casting versus like, I mean, firing, I guess the, the, the Caval thing was kind of firing and it, it, I don't know, firing by Twitter, but I would just, I would assume that that, you know, their teams communicated, but it still feels,
Speaker 3 00:55:17 Let's be real. Another reason why they also announced that it's because they were trying to take a little bit of heat away from Black Adam, I mean mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 00:55:23 <affirmative>. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:55:24 Right. The conscious uncoupling on Twitter <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:55:27 Yeah. Pretty much.
Speaker 1 00:55:33 So it, you know, is there anything else about DC because I know we're starting to get close on time that, you know, has been in your minds that you really wanna talk about, especially with these new developments. Is there anything just, you gotta get off your chest?
Speaker 2 00:55:49 You know, the one thing that I just have to say, you know, we, we still have, like, as of right now, there's things like Black Canary static Shock that are still in development of some kind. I don't think they're gonna make it through, but James Gunn, please bring back Star Girl. You know, you have the fan base for it. That show was amazing.
Speaker 1 00:56:06 Legends of Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 00:56:07 Legends of Tomorrow. Um, but Stargirl ended in a way that it did wrap it up. But I think that there's a way to bring that to the future. And I think that there's a home for it on H B O Max. And so if we're keeping some of it, if we're gonna keep things like peacemaker and stuff, let's keep Star Girl. She could fit into the DC universe really well. Uh, Bre Best Singer is an amazing actress. She's does a lot of her own stunts or like a lot of the flips and stuff because she is very acrobatic. Let's bring your back. Let's do this. Right. Come on, James Gun
Speaker 3 00:56:43 Mile only and
Speaker 2 00:56:43 That, what further do I do? <laugh>?
Speaker 3 00:56:44 That's what you've got. No, the only thing I, I think about, but I feel mostly confident is we get more of the Batman Reeves, you know, we got Penguin Show on the way. There was supposed to be a second spinoff at the same time. A goth, uh, an a archive, a nice,
Speaker 1 00:57:01 I
Speaker 3 00:57:01 Think no pd. Yeah, something like that. I'm, I'm not sure exactly what it was, but yeah, there was like a couple things they were gonna work on. And then, um, y'all know me, I love peacemakers. I I do wanna see that come back. It seems pretty certain that it will happen. It just makes you curious about who, who sticks around, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he, James Gunn is very strong about, like, I like working with these people 'cause I know they're nice. I've been told they're nice. And so I don't think he wants to discard not just his coworkers, but his friends. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I, I just wonder how the general population will feel about that. Like, is it favoritism, you know, uh, nepotism, whatever you want to call it. Mm-hmm. Sure. Like, is this unfair to everybody else or,
Speaker 1 00:57:45 I mean, if I had a studio, I would totally hire all my friends <laugh>. So you got Congrats. You guys are, you know, heads of development. So I, I don't fault that <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:57:55 Excellent. Oh my gosh, <laugh>. Um, just, just just for the clarification. Yeah. The Penguin Show is, is still in development. The other one was a PD show. Yeah. But it turned into an aum. Um, it was gonna be about the, about the Saint Asylum
Speaker 1 00:58:09 And Gotham Knights is something totally different.
Speaker 3 00:58:11 Oh, you just made me think of something. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I am disappointed that we're never gonna get that Batman Beyond with Keaton because I loved that show growing up. I used to watch it every weekend with my sister, and we would, and thinking about it, Keaton would've been perfection for that role. Like, I wanted to see Terry McGinniss happen. Sorry, ALA, go ahead.
Speaker 1 00:58:29 No, no, no, you're right. You're totally right. And there would've been that dynamic that we haven't seen where, you know, Batman's a mentor and he's got, you know, a younger, not a Robin, but someone younger that he is mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, kind of training and like, that's cool. And the,
Speaker 3 00:58:43 What I really liked about the show was it was futuristic, you know, like mm-hmm. <affirmative> a different suit that black, just full black with the Red was just one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Still probably my favorite suit out of all of them. And, and with him already having played the mentor role in Back Girl mm-hmm. <affirmative>, they could have, you know, just rolled that in, moved to the future boom and had that play out more.
Speaker 2 00:59:06 Sure. Back girl. Beyond
Speaker 3 00:59:08 That too,
Speaker 1 00:59:10 I wish,
Speaker 3 00:59:12 Um, I really wish we would've got like a Bat Family sort of thing. It, the potential was there.
Speaker 1 00:59:17 Now do you think, do you think, do you think Gum is going to be super involved with the Batman side of the universe? Because, you know, Matt, that's Matt Reeves' thing and he seems to like, they seem to be okay with that. Like, if they're gonna, I think,
Speaker 3 00:59:33 I think James Gunn understands when something works, don't mess with it. You know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. James gets that.
Speaker 2 00:59:41 I definitely think that he's going to see, like, he's already saw a part of this process. He's seen the film, he knows the direction Res is going in. I think that he's going to s step back a little bit and realize I'm working on so many other things right now. I really don't have time for this. Um, as long as you're not gonna completely mess up this world, or like make Batman look horrible, you've already made a movie that during a national pandemic, you know, a worldwide pandemic did well. So, I mean, I think that with things like The Penguin and the Arkham series still in play, he's gonna be busy doing his peacemaker, Amanda Waller series Superman stuff, that he's not gonna really care about those things until either it conflicts with his world or until his world grows big enough that he wants to just end that one, start his own Batman or whatever comes from that. I don't think that the two worlds are gonna ever collide, though. I think that they're two different,
Speaker 3 01:00:34 And I'm okay with that. That's not inherently a bad thing because the Batman worked out so well for me, the, the realism of it all, and, and the story they told was just great. I, I've watched it like five times this year. But <laugh> Yeah, that's a good movie.
Speaker 1 01:00:50 You're, you're saying that Amanda Waller is not gonna meet Batman?
Speaker 2 01:00:55 No. I'm so sad.
Speaker 1 01:00:57 No. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:00:58 <laugh>, sorry to disappoint you. Um, but I just don't think that, I think you're right. They're the, it's better when they're separate and you don't, you don't need them together. The Batman was good on its own. It doesn't need to be involved with a crossover with Superman. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, unless you're gonna introduce in that world of Superman, because I think that you can have two worlds as long as they're very established that they're different, like the Arrowverse and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the DC universe that worked well. You could almost have a world that you wanna have that grittier superheroes. I don't think they need to cross over in the wider scheme of things. Let Matt res do his thing. He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1 01:01:34 And on that note, I think we're finished. So thank you guys so much for being here. And thank you all for listening. Uh, tune in next time for more discussion with your favorite nerdy
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Speaker 3 01:01:49 Bye y'all.
Speaker 1 01:01:50 Bye.
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