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Speaker 1 00:00:17 Welcome back, cosmic Fam to another episode of the Cosmic Circle, the official podcast of the Cosmic Circus, where we discuss everything nerdy in the entire cosmos. On today's episode, we will be discussing the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse. My name is Brian Kitson, head writer of The Cosmic Circus. And joining me today are Ala and our very own Alex Perez, which we are so excited to have. How are the two of you doing?
Speaker 2 00:00:40 I am doing great. Um, I'm Myla Rub. I'm so happy to be here and I'm so happy to be here with Alex. I feel like, you know, I'm in the presence of a celebrity, so I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 00:00:50 No one say that to me. I'm literally the most shy individual on the face of the planet <laugh>. Sure. Hi, I'm Alex p I'm from the Cosmic Circus as the cosmic wonder and so much, so many people like to call me on YouTube nowadays, but ha ha, howdy.
Speaker 1 00:01:05 Nice to have you. Thank you so much for joining us today, and we're excited to talk about this. 'cause this is specifically a, a topic that you, you kind of requested and so I can't wait to jump in. And we're, the first question I wanna ask you both is, you know, phase one through three was the Infinity Saga, and when we started phase four, we didn't quite know what the name of it was. Um, and while we, the project started to come out, we learned that it was called the Multiverse Saga. So where do you feel the multiverse actually began? Because I know some people think it's Wand Vission, some people think it's Loki. I don't know if there's technically a right answer. I feel like if anyone's gonna have it, it's gonna be Alex. Um, but where do we feel that the multiverse started for us or in general? And where did it kinda spiral from there?
Speaker 3 00:01:51 For me, personally speaking 100%, the multiverse started definitely in Loki. That's kind of like the origin point with the splitting of the timelines. And I feel like the, the moment that Sylvie not the moment Sylvie kill, he who remains. 'cause technically the, the, the multiverse split at the moment that Loki and Sylvie just kept talking with he who remains and didn't really accept his offer. But I think that right there in that moment, then in Loki episode six, that's kind of where the multiverse started.
Speaker 1 00:02:27 Okay. Ala what about you? Do you agree or is there some discourse?
Speaker 2 00:02:32 So I, I disagree a little bit and I like I totally am free to have my mind changed. I, you know, I kind of feel like the multiverse started, at least we first heard about it. Um, and Dr. Strange and, oh, you know, I'm, I'm very curious to hear, you know, Alex's opinion on this. And I know there's some even great explainer articles he's done about it. But, you know, I think that, I think that the ancient one may have used, um, multiverse is a term, if I remember right. You know, it's been a long time mm-hmm. Since I've seen the movie. Um, and I think there was, you know, strange looking through different universes, but it's been a while. So I still think
Speaker 3 00:03:09 It was, I, I recall, I recall when you say that that was like 2016 Dr. Strange mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But at that point she was, she was referring that the multiverse was, um, God, I don't remember the quote exactly, but I remember that the multiverse kind of is withdrew their power or something. But she was referring at the time what a lot of people were, were referring to. So, and, and what I meant by that is like the ancient one, well I believe she knew about the existence of the multiverse 'cause God knows how old that woman was. <laugh>, um, she, she, I feel like she was referring to the dimensions the same way that everyone is referring to like the mirror dimension or the astro plane or the dark dimension. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> or the, or the plane where the clandestine come from as the multiverse as different universes. And that is not necessarily the case anymore because now we have what actual universes are like. But that's my interpretation of things. Hopefully, eventually they might prove me wrong, but we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 00:04:11 Now I know in the pre-show we talked a little bit about this and we talked a little bit about dimensions and planes versus, you know, the multiverse. Um, like Alex would, would you mind explaining I guess the difference between a dimension? 'cause you mentioned the mirror dimension, you mentioned, um, the no dimension from Miss Marvel and you know, obviously we have the quantum realm. We had it in Avengers end game, we had it at, we have it coming up with Antman and I would love to hear, um, like how you delineate them,
Speaker 3 00:04:41 Right? So, um, right now we have what is known, like if after for me, after Loki started, we essentially developed what is known as the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse in that concept that Marvel Cinematic multiverse encompasses essentially what is everything under the Marvel brand. So the Marvel cinematic universe, the Sony films, the accident films, the fantastic four films, even the good and the bad ones, even morphous, unfortunately even better, oh, don't say that. <laugh>, everything, even Agents of Shield, everything kind of encompasses under the Marvel cinematic multiverse term. And everything that is branded Marvel is fair game. And I'm not just talking about like movies, I'm talking about comics, TV shows, video games, whatever, anything can, can qualify into that. Now, following that concept, we have immediately what is the nexus of all realities. That's essentially the domain where the watcher is currently at and he's observing all of these universes and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 00:05:46 And after that we have the multiverse again. But then that divides into single universes. So in one universe you have universe 6, 1, 6, you have university three eight, you have the universe of the X-men, fantastic four and so on. Within that universe, that's where you have those different dimensions or planes or parallel planes of existence. So the mirror dimension, the astro plane, the north dimension, the dark dimension, any sort of dimension that's mentioned within the context of that universe exists within that universe. But it is not an alternate universe, so to speak. Then within those planes that exist within the earth, and then as you shrink down beyond the earth, you enter into what would eventually be the quantum realm. In the quantum realm, from what I've been explained, that's where I believe the final, that's what I believe to be the final border or like the lowest rung of the multiverse.
Speaker 3 00:06:52 Because immediately as you go beyond the quantum realm, you would be entering another universe. That's how Scott Lang and the Avengers were able to time travel because they shrank beyond the quantum realm into another universe, into another timeline that were able to get the infinity stones. And it kind of relates into that old theory about how if you take yourself and you shrink yourself down to the size of an atom, but then you shrink yourself beyond that size of the atom, you would be entering what is essentially another universe. And that's kind of the way I understand it.
Speaker 2 00:07:24 So what you're saying then, that it's
Speaker 3 00:07:25 Not confusing to anyone listening <laugh>?
Speaker 2 00:07:27 Well, no, it, it, it's interesting too, and I, and I know Vin actually asked a, a question in our, um, in our discord about the quantum realm. And if, you know, if there was a quantum realm, I think in every, in every universe. And I think you just answered it there, you know, saying that there is one.
Speaker 3 00:07:44 Yeah, I'm gonna say that quantum mania, although I cannot give spoilers, quantum mania is going to answer that question. So just wait two weeks, <laugh>. But the was quantum mania is definitely gonna answer that question about like how the quantum realm works, how it subdivides and how it connects to other universes. Although if you kind of look at the trailers, you can kind of connect the dots as to how that answer is gonna go.
Speaker 1 00:08:11 And real quick before we go on <laugh>, uh, for our listeners, a spoiler alert, you know, with who we have on, uh, there might be little tidbits here and stuff. So while we didn't not spoil, uh, airman on the was quantum mania, something else may come out down the line as we get talking. So just let's be aware of that as we go ahead. Um, but I know that's what people also are all looking for
Speaker 2 00:08:32 This. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:08:33 You know, that this
Speaker 2 00:08:34 Also means you need to listen, you know, to the whole podcast to the, to our lovely voices at the very end because you never know what you might hear.
Speaker 3 00:08:41 Me and my big mouth <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:08:44 We love that big mouth. No. Uh, so I, I think I agree with you Alex, going all the way back that I think that the, the multiverse definitely started with Loki, even though everyone wanted to start with Wand Vission, it made sense with what was happening. It didn't meet the definition, but then you're right, Loki really cracked it open. And what you just described does sound very complicated. You know, there's so many different layers, you know, that there's, you know, Kronos spheres, it sounds like <laugh> and there's actual levels to our dimension and how under dimensions work out together. But it sounds like you're saying that we're gonna get a little bit of better question about the quantum realms interaction with that come Quantum mania.
Speaker 3 00:09:26 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I definitely agree. Quantum Mania iss uh, definitely gonna answer a lot of questions. And the, the thing I love about Youngman and the was Quantum Mania, not a spoiler, but is while it answers some questions, it'll also give us, it will give us even more questions. 'cause that's usually how it works. If Marvel films, it's like, here's answers. Here's uh, here's some answers to some questions. Now get ready to ask even more questions. 'cause that's usually how it goes. There's never really actual closure in a Marvel
Speaker 2 00:09:59 Movie. <laugh>. Well, it's like any, any good book, right? Or any, any TV series almost, you know, you want it to be emotionally satisfying so you feel like, okay, you kind of get where you need to go, but oh my gosh, there's something else that you absolutely need to know the answer to. So you're gonna watch the next movie, you're gonna watch the next, um, you know, episode of tv, whatever it is. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like, there's that, you know, there's that thing to keep you turning the, uh, not turning the page, but continue to watch.
Speaker 1 00:10:28 Sure. You know, what's interesting is we, with Loki starting off the multiverse, we had a few projects and you know, I was kinda looking through phase four and there was a few that I was picking out like what if Spider-Man multiverse and Madness. But it seems like when you look at what phase five is starting with Quantum Mania, it's all since speeding up. Do you, are we getting this, is anyone else getting this feeling that all of a sudden the multiverse is just pedal to the metal and not stopping anytime soon? I mean,
Speaker 3 00:10:57 I'll let ELA answer first.
Speaker 2 00:10:59 <laugh> <laugh>, I mean, I don't, so there's a lot of time between projects, right? You know, Antman comes out in a couple of days and then it's what, like three months until Guardians of the Galaxy? You know, I don't know if, if, you know, it feels like things are speeding up for me. I just think it's now just a steady stream of new content that kind of adds to the larger, the larger picture because they're trying to just build this narrative. So everything that they release is kind of in service of that. So I think just, I actually, I think just because the fact that there's so much new content and we, you know, we have more than one movie a year, more than two movies a year, it feels, you know, they're, we're getting more comprehensive stuff about it.
Speaker 1 00:11:39 Okay. What about you Alex?
Speaker 3 00:11:41 Um, to me it's starting to pick up, but at the same time, if you look at phase five, let, let's pull up like the phase five timeline for a bit. And if you look at like the phase five timeline right now, we have Aman and the Aman and the WASP Quantum Mania. That's the first multiverse project. Mm-hmm. Then you have Secret Invasion Guardian to the Galaxy Echo Loki. That's the next multiverse project. That's two. The Marvels can talk about it, but we'll put that on under number three. We'll put, we'll put the marbles under number three for now. And I won't explain why I'm, but We'll, actually I'm, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 00:12:20 I'm actually more interested back where you mentioned Echo, because is Echo in the multiverse?
Speaker 3 00:12:25 No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 00:12:26 Just Echo is I'm
Speaker 3 00:12:27 Counting down. Yeah, I'm counting like everything like the, the movie. So you have Quantum Mania, you have Secret Invasion, echo Garden of the Axia. Loki would be the second multiverse project. The Marvels would be the third. Uh, blade is not one Iron, heart is not one. <laugh>. Agatha <laugh> one is number four. Daredevil is not it. Captain America neither and neither is Thunderbird. Do you have four M C U Marvel projects that have to do with the multiverse and then 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 projects that have nothing to do with the multiverse. Not only that, but like a grand majority of them are street level stories, which is why it's like you, you're like you said, you mentioned that like, oh, they're trying to speed up the, the multiverse and yet they're doing so little with it because they're still setting up characters for now. So that's like, I don't think they're gonna try to rush the multiverse. I think they're gonna try and slow it down as much as possible, especially with this, like the slight changes they gotta do. So probably what they're gonna do, I don't know.
Speaker 1 00:13:32 I'd say it definitely doesn't seem like it's, it's speeding up and that they're rushing it. I just think that it's like starting to, like, now that it's cracked open, there's just a little more of a momentum of like, you're seeing the cracks form a little bit more and like, it's kind of like an egg that is breaking and it's just breaking more rapidly, heading towards the final incursion. It is kind of how I'm picturing it, is you have little cracks here, little cracks there, and then all of a sudden the whole shell is slipping away. I think that's, we're in that like stage of like, it feels like the shell's starting to slip away a little bit,
Speaker 3 00:14:03 I think too. I
Speaker 2 00:14:03 Agree. I think too that we're primed for it. You know, we, you know, end Game and Avengers Infinity War was like such a whopper, right? We didn't, like, I didn't know that when I watched the first, let's say Ironman movie, that this was what everything was going to build to. And I think, you know, we kind of have that expectation too as viewers and you know, just an audience that, okay, all these little puzzle pieces are gonna form something epic. And maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 3 00:14:30 To me, one of the things that, now that you mention it, uh, a lot of people now are so accustomed to this idea that Marvel has to make this extremely large cinematic event like Infinity War and Endgame. And that kind of has, while at the same time it has raised people's expectations, it's also damaged the way people like look at these projects moving forward. Because now people I feel can't really enjoy single level stories. Like they enjoy Wand Visions and Loki, but some stories people are just not really interested in because they're being oversaturated. They have this feeling of oversaturation with all these single character stories on Disney Plus. And some of them are not necessarily holding up to par because the, the production companies are being like so overworked with all the Marvel projects for, but, um, <laugh>, uh, but you know, to me, if you had to ask me at what point do I think the multiverse is going to crack open the same way that people are going to realize this is where it's all leading to, even though we all know that right now it's all leading to Dynasty and Secret Wars, to me, the multiverse isn't going to become a plot point that's going to affect everyone in B M C U until we reach Deadpool.
Speaker 3 00:15:56 Really? Yeah. Until we reach Deadpool, the multiverse isn't really going to be this story of like, um, is isn't really gonna be this major plot point. 'cause everything so far it is just focusing on building more characters and there's gonna be people saying like, oh, uh, but the multiverse in, in Quantum Mania, yeah, it's gonna set up something, but, and, but what's what It's going to set up. You're not going to see until we reach phase six, which is a shame, but it's the truth.
Speaker 2 00:16:28 That's interesting because I wouldn't say that, you know, Deadpool and Deadpool two two are necessarily must see movies to like, just to get the scope of the M C U and you know, of course they wouldn't be. And now it sounds like from what you're saying that Deadpool three will kind of be, must watch, um, def from Multiverse Saga.
Speaker 3 00:16:46 Well, definitely. 'cause now moving forward, Deadpool is going to be like an integral part of B N C U, but you're not really gonna see much about him up until like, maybe may, maybe until like Deadpool three. Although I will share something that I I didn't hear mentioned. You know, it's, it's already out there. We know this <laugh> people need to, we know that like Deadpool and, uh, Owen Wilson's like t v a is gonna pop up. Owen Wilson Mobius is gonna pop up in the tva and you know, it makes me speculate whether or not they're gonna try and include Dead Pool in low key Season two, though I don't know though. I don't know if they're gonna, they're gonna really have, I don't know if Marvel is ballsy enough to drop Deadpool into, into a low key season two. But then again, we said the exact same thing about Kang and they introduced the main villain of the Multiverse Saga at the end of Loki. So who knows? I ne
Speaker 1 00:17:47 I never thought that, like, it never crossed my mind that Deadpool could potentially show up in low key season two. I feel like that would definitely be kind of this, it would be like a curve ball. I was not expecting <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:18:01 Now will they do it, you know, like will they do it somewhere early in the six episodes, or will they do like, you know, Alex mentioned with, with Kang or, you know, wait until the very end.
Speaker 3 00:18:11 If it was to me, if it was for me, I would introduce it the following way. Do Loki the entire way, make the entire story, have the entire story play out? Literally as, as at the end, since it's, since what's confirmed is that Mobius is the one that's gonna show up, not Loki. For me, I would have it be like a post credit stinger. Like, all right, everything's back to normal. Everybody go back to work at T B A. What's the first case that we got? Well, we've got a maniac going around timelines and messing stuff up with this weird time travel device from another universe that was erased completely. Oh, what's his name? And they throw the file and it's Wade Wilson. That's the way I would do it.
Speaker 2 00:18:56 <laugh>. See, I just, I wanna see Mobius and Deadpool on a jet ski just because I think that would be amazing.
Speaker 1 00:19:03 Give it to the people. <laugh>. Um, you know, something, I wanna go back real quick just before I I forget about it. Is, you know, Alex, you said that like, you don't see the, the multiverse really cracking open to Deadpool three, but that, that is shocking to me because we do have low key season two and you know mm-hmm. <affirmative> season one ended in a part where, you know, we met he who remains, we watched the timeline, splinter Loki arrives back into a timeline that potentially isn't his, 'cause they don't recognize him. It just feels like, how do you enter that show or that series without it all just like, blowing up the multiverse. Like that feels like that's a real, that's the moment for me that it cracks open. But I, I guess I'm just interested as to why you think that it's gonna be avoided in season two of Loki.
Speaker 3 00:19:52 You can't see me right now, audience or Brian, but I'm smiling right now, <laugh>. And the reason why I'm smiling is because I can hear Lizzie's voice in my head saying, don't you dare talk about this <laugh> <laugh>. But, um, Ooh, <laugh>, uh, you
Speaker 1 00:20:08 Know, did I back you into a corner? <laugh>?
Speaker 3 00:20:09 No, you didn't back me into a corner. I'm trying to think of the way I can, I can say this because like, this is, this, if I speak it would be a really massive spoiler warning. Let's say that right now with what we know, the when, okay. When I referred to back to the point when I was referring to Depo, when I said that the multiverse wasn't going, the multiverse wasn't going to be a big plot point, I referred it into a way that it was going to affect everyone in the M C U at the same time, the same way that like, Thor Rackner Rock was the catalyst that kicked off, you know, the, the full Infinity Saga, infinity War storyline with the post credit scene and all that everyone knew was like, okay, here's the impending moment of dread. But throughout like the films you knew Thanos was coming with like the post credit scene of Avengers and the Guardian scene, and then Avengers age of Rung with like the vision that Thor had in the pool, and then the, and then like the post credit scene of him saying, fine, I'll do it myself before eventually getting to Thor Rack and Rock and Surprise, it's Thanos mothership here to blow up all your shit.
Speaker 3 00:21:18 And you have that moment where you're like, all right, here's where it's gonna go. This is gonna be the focus now. And that's exactly what's gonna happen with Deadpool. It's not, the multiverse isn't going to be the main focus of the story from there, like from there into the future up until Deadpool, because it's, the multiverse is going to be talked about Sure. In Quantum Mania and Loki as well, because both of those projects kind of tie together. But you have this, um, there's not really gonna be much of a focus on the multiverse as a whole compared to what will be like, all right, what's Loki's experience with the multiverse? This is what it's gonna be like, what's Amman's focus? This is what it's gonna be like, what's, um, Deadpools? That's what it's gonna be like. Like it's going to be an individual focus on the multiverse rather than the entire universe as a whole being affected by it. I don't know if I'm getting through that point.
Speaker 1 00:22:15 I think you are. I I think it's just taking a moment to maybe wrap my head around it. <laugh>. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:22:21 Because Alright, let, let, let me put it, let me put it this way. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, do you really think that a story about, um, let, let's say, do you re do you recall Black Panther Wakanda forever touching up upon the multiverse?
Speaker 1 00:22:34 No, not really.
Speaker 3 00:22:35 Exactly. Do you remember Guardians of the Galaxy Hollywood Special Holiday Special <laugh> and having Jonathan Majors show up? That's kind of like the point that I was trying to get to. There's still going to be individual stories moving forward and there's gonna be diverse plot points all around, but the multiverse isn't going to really kick into full effect where it's going to be the main storyline from here on out up until Deadpool three. It's because after Deadpool three, then everything's gonna be like, all right, multiverse story, multiverse story, multiverse story from there on forward,
Speaker 2 00:23:07 The stuff in the multiverse isn't an Avengers level threat yet.
Speaker 3 00:23:11 Yes. It's not an Avengers level threat yet, though. I know Quantum Mania is going to set it up before it gets to that level. It's gonna be set up in Quantum Mania and then it's going to explode in like Deadpool three as the meme says, let Kevin fight He Cook <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:23:31 <laugh>. What's interesting about that then is you said that everything that comes after Deadpool three is going to be more focused on the multiverse. That's where it's gonna really streamline, which the first one coming after That's Fantastic Four and not Avengers the King Dynasty as of right now. It could change, we know that. But mention, I
Speaker 3 00:23:50 Think that says a, not to mention that there's still a movie waiting. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> not, not to mention that there's still a movie in between Fantastic Four and Avengers King Dynasty and there's 1, 2, 3, 4 Disney plus projects.
Speaker 1 00:24:03 One of those we believe is World War Hawk, I'm pretty sure, which means that that could be multiverse as well. But I I That's pure speculation. <laugh> No,
Speaker 3 00:24:10 World, world War Hawk would be the one after Kang Dynasty.
Speaker 1 00:24:14 Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 00:24:14 Yeah. 'cause like right now, Avengers between Fantastic four Kang Dynasty, there's a space in Fall 2024, winter 2024, winter 2025, spring 2025, and spring 2025 before heading into May with Avengers King Dynasty. But I know one of those dates is a movie because it was like revealed in, in one of the slates mm-hmm. A few days ago. And then the other four Disney plus projects. So World War Hulk for me is going to be a film that's gonna be set in Battle World because it's probably the best way to explain it without, you know, kind of destroying everything before we kind of delve into Kingdom Dynasty. But, um, that's also another thing. I've seen people talk about this and it's a theory that kind of, I don't wanna say I took credit for it and or spurred it with like, the whole thing about like everything between a vendor's gang dynasty and Secret Wars being, uh, battle World projects. But I do believe that is the scenario that's going to play out with a lot of different projects. And I don't wanna say which ones I think they could be, but definitely World War Hulk is going to be one of them.
Speaker 2 00:25:32 Yeah. I think it's interesting that you're mentioning World War Hulk. I know there's been a lot of speculation about it. I know it hasn't been officially confirmed. Um, you know, so I'm, and I know, I think Lizzie actually, um, I think Lizzie speculated that Armor Wars would somehow lead into World War Hulk in one of her theory articles, um, about one of the production companies. And I'm curious if you think that could be true or anything like that.
Speaker 3 00:26:01 From what I understand about Armor Wars, I don't really see a way for it to connect because Armor Wars kind of evolved into something bigger than what it would originally was. Originally it was gonna be the story about roadie take if imagine the a winter soldier story, like the Captain America Winter Soldier story, but focusing on roadie and trying to figure out the mystery of who stole Tony Stark's tech. But they kind of like this project evolved into so much that it was like, it evolved into something so much bigger than itself, the point that it warranted a movie. And I'm not gonna say anything about a certain actor that's going to pop up. All I have to say is that after years of this actor being unable to do a certain character, it's so miraculous that his schedule finally appears to be open just in time to film Armor Wars. And that's all I'm going to say on that subject. So people can go and speculate as to who I'm talking about. <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:27:07 I see articles being written all across comic book, you know,
Speaker 1 00:27:11 Everywhere. <laugh>. Yeah. I don't think I, that's shocking to me. I'm very excited. I feel like I have to go search the internet to start looking for theories here. Um, that was not what I was expecting. But what's interesting is that there's a really good battle World Armor Wars series, which focuses on Roddy's niece who takes over for Rodie in, I think it's called Techno World. Um, so if they did something with the multiverse for that after King Dynasty, that would be super awesome and I'd be open to that. Oh,
Speaker 3 00:27:45 There's a lot of stories that I think could really fit into like the Battle World segment. One of them 100% Midnight Suns, midnight Suns with 100% work as a, as a Battle World film. Especially if you have, if you, if you want to streamline a way to get werewolf by night, moon night, Dr. Strange ghost writer, if you wanna streamline all these characters into a group, what better way than to literally have an incursion and just have them all be in a, in a limited space where they have to go and find, for example, I don't know, uh, like they have to go find something. I, I know people have speculated or mentioned theories about like Wanda being the villain of Midnight Sons, and I'm like, I don't think she could be the villain. But then again, like, I don't know, I feel like Midnight Suns, however, regardless of how it goes, would be a fantastic Battle World movie. So that's just my 2 cents of it. <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:28:42 I I think that what's interesting about Battle World and you know, secret Wars is the newer Secret Wars, I think it was in 2015, is one of my favorite series. And I actually have most of the battle worlds. And, um, there's a different, there's a different series as well, part of it, but I have almost all of them in paperback, um, uh, in my hard copies. And so there's so many different teams that you could shove together just for the fact that they're in different worlds. You know, you could have a film or a show about a force without having to commit to like making an, a force, you know, an overarching trilogy of movies. So the fact that you, they can play around with this, and I, I do think that between whatever ended up happening, if they split Secret Wars into two films, like Rumors are saying, there needs to be some space between these two. And we need to really explore what Battle World is so that we can, we can dive into that and give it a little more depth than just being a one-off kind of world. And then all of a sudden it's all cleared up on the other end.
Speaker 3 00:29:37 I mean, true. Then again, you also have like the whole like remember the Chong Q and the Wreckage of Time thing? Like, that's like the leak title that was in
Speaker 2 00:29:46 The <crosstalk>, right? The trade, the trademark that got, yeah, that was,
Speaker 3 00:29:49 Yeah. So that would, that could also work as like a, um, as a battle world film. Because my idea is after Kang Dynasty, all the Avengers are kind of like split up between different, different realms. So like a grand majority of the Avengers are going to kind of unite for World Warhol. Then you could have Sean Chi as like, you could compare Sean Chi to, I don't wanna make this comparison 'cause I feel like people are gonna kill me for this, but imagine, imagine Avengers Kang dynasty, and again, imagine World War Hulk being Avengers Infinity War, where you had a grand majority of the heroes that were needed for Avengers, uh, Kang Dynasty. They're like, you need it for Avengers Infinity. Were all together, getting together for World War Hope. And then you have Sean Chi and the wreckage of time being like Antman in the wasp where he has a solo adventure where no one really knows where he was. And then he has like this adventure that eventually then leads to Secret Wars. And then you have another adventure with like, I don't know, um, I don't know what else is coming up. I feel like Dr. Strange could be a good one, but at the same time, like he's suppo. I feel like he was supposed to show up before King Dynasty, so I don't know. I don't know how they're gonna do that.
Speaker 1 00:31:08 I think it could be a strong possibility just that he shows up before King Dynasty, just where the, his film ended because he ended to go find these incursions that were happening. And so that kind of segues really nicely.
Speaker 3 00:31:22 Yeah, he had to deal with Clia and like, go, the thing was you caused an incursion. So right now there is an incursion going on, but we don't, like everyone right now has made themselves the question of, all right, so Steven Strange caused an incursion because he utilized the dark holes fine, but what universe did he cause the incursion with? That's the first question people need to be asking themselves. What universe did he cause the incursion with? And secondly, is clea from 6 1 16 or is she from another multiverse or another universe? Not bad. That's kind of like the main question that a lot of people need to ask themselves because if it was, if Clea is from 6 1 6, how does she know about the multiverse and that Steven caused an incursion unless she is from 8 3 8? And she senses that Steven was the one that did it because he was using the dark code as much as possible.
Speaker 3 00:32:25 It all, uh, it all, it all supposed to go with like the dark cold and all that kind of stuff, which is why I know the mc wasn't done with like the dark hole. 'cause they still need to explain how Steven caused an incursion with another universe using a dark hold. And they still need to answer the question about like the author. And I know that the dark hold while it's gone, it's still gonna be a very big plot point in Agatha. So that's something that people need to like look out for, but I don't know exactly how they're gonna bring in the dark hold and it's effects unless it's like a flashback because the thing no longer exists. So
Speaker 2 00:33:01 Do you have theories on to as to who is the author of the Dark Hold and what's your, you know, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 00:33:09 We already mentioned this before <laugh> and people were kind of curious about how, how about how Kang or rather one of his variants is the author of the book. But the thing is that it makes sense within the context of the multiverse and kind of like the rules of the M C U because we know for a fact that Catan was like the guy who wrote the Dark. Well, he was the one that made the dark hold and he ate, and not the dark hold, but rather the spells that were inside the Dark hold. He is Chaos, magic and Bot. And he wrote the spells on w de Gore map. But then we already know thanks to like the, the, the, the concept art books or like the Art of Wand Vission books where like the designers were explaining, they said that they were trying to make the dark bold look like if it was one of the first books written in early history and that they were trying to make it look like the, the book was based on designs from when the first books were ever made, ever.
Speaker 3 00:34:12 That would make the book around maybe a thousand years old because it's from between the 19 hundreds and the one thousands. So the book was not written by Kathan because Kathan wrote it eons ago, like, like near the beginning of the earth. And, but the book was only written a thousand years ago, like before the Middle Ages even started. So, so what it's, it has to be someone who was at that time able to write the book and would be able to know exactly what's going to happen down the road. The only person who could even possibly remotely at that point have that connection to the multiverse who has anything to gain as the author would be Kang or one of its variants. But we don't know the answer to that entirely for now. People like for now, from what we're told, from what I'm told, it's Kang or one of his variants, but which one it is we don't know
Speaker 2 00:35:10 Now. He would certainly fit with someone who has a command of time to kind of be able to, you know, have knowledge of these things in the future.
Speaker 3 00:35:17 Not only that, but like people are claiming, oh, uh, but, but the Scarlet Witch thing that was on w de Gore Mountain, like the one the w de kind of said that, and I'm like, where did you see that? Like if you look directly at the set of w de Gore Mountain, there are no words, there's only one wall of inscriptions with spells, another wall with inscriptions of spells. The table that has nothing except literally the design for Cattan at the bottom of the table. And then you have the Statue of the Scarlet Witch and then both of her kids. But there's nothing on that wall that says the Scarlet Witch is going is is a nexus being, which is something that's particularly hilarious. And I know, and it's also something that makes me think that the author was lying. And I never mentioned this in the article, but it came up later on while I was discussing it with him. So what's one of the first things Agatha says when she's talking to Scarlet in like the final episode? If you guys remember, you're,
Speaker 2 00:36:15 It, it's been a while.
Speaker 3 00:36:16 Uhhuh <affirmative>, right? So, so the quote she says is, you're a nexus being of being capable of spontaneous creation, right?
Speaker 1 00:36:25 Sure. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>
Speaker 3 00:36:26 Her, her being a nexus being makes her a very, apart from the fact that she would be very, very powerful in the context of the multiverse. She is so unique to the multiverse that there would only be one of her. But we know that's a lie because 8 3 8 had another Wanda mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So she's not a nexus being a true nexus being is America Chava because she's unique. She's the only, she's so far the only true nexus being because there's no other one. There's no America Chavez so far in the multiverse.
Speaker 2 00:36:57 She has no variance is what you're saying.
Speaker 3 00:36:59 Exactly. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> yet Wanda does. So Wanda can't be a nexus being for per their definition.
Speaker 2 00:37:05 So let's say Wanda isn't the Nexus being Amer. So is America the only one? Is she So far, so far, so
Speaker 3 00:37:12 Far, so far. But like in the comics there's billions of like nexus beings. So there's like, for example, uh,
Speaker 1 00:37:20 Uh, man thing, right?
Speaker 3 00:37:22 Man thing, man thing could be one. Tang is another one that I know is a nexus being from the comics, Franklin Richards is definitely another one. Jean Gray is another one, but um,
Speaker 2 00:37:34 There's Odin Borson too, right?
Speaker 3 00:37:37 Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of like the only thing that uh, that can, that can exist. But the thing is they, because these Nexus beings are so powerful and they have these incredible abilities to the point that they can alter time, that would make them unique. But Wanda already has another variant in another universe, and there's Bill and I'm pretty sure there's billions of other Wanda because she's seen, she literally confirmed it herself in every universe. She, she has children except in the one she's at. Sure. So sh there was an infinite number of Wanda, ergo she can't be the only one. Ergo she's not the Nexus being. So the person who wrote the off, who wrote the dark hold and said, and she's a nexus being is line
Speaker 1 00:38:23 Interesting.
Speaker 3 00:38:23 Either that or Marvel really fucked up and I'm just giving them the answer to pick one <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:38:29 So could there be a reason why the author then, like are they trying to use one for something specifically? And maybe that's tying the dark hold into the multiverse saga.
Speaker 3 00:38:39 We kind of already explained this though, like in the, in my, in the article where I'm saying that Kang is the author of the Dark hold, like Kang, it wants to rule the multiverse, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But if there, but if Wanda is theorized to be the one to control or destroy the multiverse, wouldn't you take measures to prevent her from ever doing that in the first place?
Speaker 1 00:38:58 Sure. It's all about power struggle,
Speaker 3 00:39:00 Right? The dark hold. Interesting. You write the dark hold. So they would essentially confirm the way that she'll, she would use it. But think about it this way, see, because at what point does the multiverse break to, to you and me, Brian, at what point does the multiverse break?
Speaker 1 00:39:19 Well, I would say it's probably when Sylvie stabbed he who remains. But maybe that's the most obvious and wrong answer, <laugh>. No,
Speaker 3 00:39:25 No, no, no, you're right. It's at, it's it's in Loki, right? And Loki, that's when she kind of like does that, right. What does Eagle remain saying? Specifically? That he paved the road, he paved the road to make sure that the multiverse like the universe existed up to a point. So we know that the Infinity saga was written by him and up to a certain point, the Infinity S was written by him. One could say that the dark hold falling into Wanda's hands was also authored by him before the multiverse broke because he knew that if Wanda had the dark hole, he could ensure that Wanda would follow through with the prophecy and that would take her out of the picture.
Speaker 1 00:40:10 Oh, you what I'm saying? That makes a lot of sense. And that is more in depth than I ever thought Marva would get. So, but, so I hope it's correct. Welcome
Speaker 3 00:40:20 To my brain. Welcome to my brain. I think about this for millennia and it's horrible. It
Speaker 2 00:40:24 Was he who remains all along.
Speaker 1 00:40:26 Uh, yeah. You know, going back to something that you said, Alex, is, you mentioned about Dr. Strange and the origin of this incursion. And I guess my question for you is, is are we gonna start seeing more incursions? And if you can talk about this, when do you think we're going to see the next one? Is it gonna be Dr. Strange or is it gonna be something sooner or later? Is it gonna be Daredevil three? Not Daredevil three. Deadpool three, but
Speaker 3 00:40:53 Daredevil three <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:40:55 I hope. Let's, let's, you know, let's have all the daredevils that we can. All the sequels.
Speaker 3 00:41:00 Do you know something? Do you know something we don't? Brian, is Ben Affleck getting a sequel for Battle World? Is that what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1 00:41:06 <laugh>? Um, I can't confirm or or deny anything, but Ben Affleck and Jennifer Gardner do have kids together. So maybe this is the sign <laugh>,
Speaker 3 00:41:15 It's the sign. Um, do I know when the next incursion is gonna happen? I do. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:41:23 But
Speaker 3 00:41:24 I, but I can confirm it. So we're gonna just leave it at that
Speaker 2 00:41:27 <laugh>. Okay. We're, can you clarify where the incursion, what university incursion is from or anything like that?
Speaker 3 00:41:36 With 6 1 6? Right now we only have two options. We have the first option being the universe in which Dr. Strange, the sinister strange one existed. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So that would be like the first incursion timeline that he could, that could hit with 6 1 6. The problem is it doesn't make sense to me for strange to be having an incursion with a universe that's already having an incursion. Mainly because he was the only person in that universe. Sinister Strange was the only person that existed in that universe. And like the dark hold really didn't make sense with that. Um, what's the word with, with that imprint, based on the rules of the multiverse of madness, we know that the more time Steven spent in a universe, the more chance of an incursion would happen. He spent more time in 8, 3 8 than he did in the sinister street universe. So from my understanding, and from the way I understand this, the universe we're gonna see the incursion with for Avengers King Dynasty, when eventually this thing blows to all hell in the incursion starts to happen is gonna be between universe 6 1 6 and Universe 8 3 8.
Speaker 2 00:42:52 So if
Speaker 3 00:42:52 You're, and story wise, it makes sense because there are some people in universe 8, 3 8 that have a bone, that have a bone to pick with even and have a bone to pick with, um, Wanda and American Chavez and all that crew. So it's gonna be a very good point.
Speaker 2 00:43:10 And if you're not familiar, you know, if you have all of your numbers mixed up, what, you know, what would people know is an 8, 3 8, you know, because I'm thinking that we, we saw them in Dr. Strange, you know, we saw Black Bolts, um, Charles Xavier, you know, are they Xavier? Who else is in this?
Speaker 3 00:43:26 Uh, Charles and Xavier Black Bolt, uh, captain Marble, but it was Maria Rambo, captain Carter, the variant version of Captain Carter, not the one that we see in what if, uh, Charles Xavier Mordo Mordo is still in this one too, 'cause he's not dead. Um, the sixth, the seventh member of the Illuminati, which was not included in this film, Uhhuh <affirmative>. And I know that a lot of people were looking at it, and I can confirm there was, there's still a member of the Illuminati that's alive that was not present at the fight because his chair was empty. And I know a lot of people were gonna be like, oh, but that was Mortal. And I'm like, no, that's not Mortal. 'cause Mortal already had his chair Mortal took Steven Strange's chair and he's already sitting in the chair. So who's the final person? The one to the right, that's the, that's the final member of the Illuminati. We know the member of the Illuminati that's still alive from 8 3 8, who is going to have a bone to pick with the Avengers when the incursion between 6 1 6 and 8 3 8 happens.
Speaker 1 00:44:29 Do you think that, I'm trying to be very careful here, <laugh>, do you think that it's already, has it already been speculated who this person is and someone has it right in the world? Or do you think that it is something completely off the wall that nobody would guess
Speaker 3 00:44:41 I know exactly who this person is and I know that no one's going to like, uh, people I feel like already have gotten it right, the, because I, I'm, I'm, again, I'm not really on social media, but I feel like people will have already gotten this because he was kind of like one of the bigger points that was like people were mentioning for, for Multiverse Madness, yet he never showed up.
Speaker 2 00:45:03 Is this Tom Cruise?
Speaker 3 00:45:05 No, we're not talking about that. The character. Okay. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:45:10 I'm just, just asking.
Speaker 3 00:45:12 Not Tom Cruise. I don't, okay. To me, the one, okay, to me, and, and this part is speculative, so I can say this, but to me, I know that 100% the person who is missing was the person who created Ultron in that universe. The one who created the Ultron bots. But for me, speculative wise, if I were to see the, this person come into 8 3 8 and 6 1 16, for me, shock value, if you want, if you want every M C U fan to melt in their seats, lose their mind and be like, holy shit. Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars is like the best Marvel movie ever. Get Robert Downey Jr. To play at the evil versions of, of Ironman and be superior. Ironman, just think about it, you have the incursion happening and then surprise, you have Ironman walk through and like Steven looking at him and thinking, holy shit, Robert, like Tony Stark just came back to life to help us in the final battle. And then surprise, he is a villain and he starts beating the living shit out of strange. So that's kind of like the way I could see this playing out. So, but that's, that's my interpretation of it.
Speaker 2 00:46:32 I just wanna say Star Trek did it first with their mirror universe and has always been glorious and having, you know, mirror characters, and I know this is not the mirror universe, but mirror characters replace, um, members of the crew or members from Star Trek. And it's always fun story-wise. So I would be totally down for superior, uh, Ironman.
Speaker 3 00:46:54 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 00:46:54 You know, I, I think that this, you know, segues into the last little part before we get to the questions. <laugh>, is I had written up an article about the roster for the Multiverse Avengers, and I had in it about Tony Starr coming back. 'cause I think that, I think it's a really interesting way, and when I was writing it, I didn't put it in there. I thought like it would be really cool if he was evil. 'cause in my head I was thinking Captain America come back and be, you know, the hydro versions and you could have these different dynamics with these characters that would really kind of mess them up. So Alex, I'm right there for this
Speaker 3 00:47:26 To me right now. Like I was reading through it. It's a wonderful theory piece and I, and I'm surprised you didn't mention this because the, we you remember what if right? The, the first episode mm-hmm. What if introduced us to Captain Carter mm-hmm. And it introduced us to Steve as the hydro stomper. So we know that Steve is the hydro stomper and eventually Steve kind of like takes the role of Bucky. So it would eventually be like, I don't know what, what we, what would we call him? The winter Stomper. Like <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:47:56 The winter Stomper.
Speaker 3 00:47:57 Yeah. But here's the thing that ex that happened in what If, but we know that if that happened in what if chances are that also happened in 8 3 8 with Captain Carter being, you know, the Avenger being the Captain America version of that universe. So it is not a very high, it's not, it's not a very large leap to think, you know what, there's a very high chance that Chris Evans could be like this version of the Hydro Stomper from 8 3 8 and that's how you bring in Chris Evans as Steve Rogers. But like the version of the Hydro Stomper Skinny, skinny Steve, the Return of the Skinny Steve <laugh> for, for Avengers King Dynasty. That's how I would do it though. I do like the idea of like a villainous Captain America and you just juice him up with like the super soldier serum. Because I feel like that's kind of what they would do. Because I feel like that that's kind of what they did with Bucky. They gave Bucky the, the version of the Super Soldier serum and he became the winter soldier. And that's probably what's gonna happen here.
Speaker 2 00:49:01 I mean, arguably US agent was also kind of, you know, evil, um, or at least turned out to be pretty gnarly. And he had, uh, he had the mantle of that.
Speaker 3 00:49:11 True.
Speaker 1 00:49:12 True. Okay. Then before we wrap up the idea of the small Divers Avengers, what is one character that we have to see come back from a previous Marvel film or who is a character that has not been introduced into the M C U yet at all that we'd love to see? And I, I already think I know who you're gonna pick. Yeah. 'cause I thought of you when I wrote my article.
Speaker 2 00:49:33 Yeah. And I was she the first one in your article? You totally nailed it, by the way. It, I would like Peggy Carter to come back. I, you know, I, I wanna see whether it's Captain Carter, whether it's Agent Carter, I just think the character's phenomenal. I think Hayley Atwell is amazing and like, I think there's so much more story to tell. And not only that, I just want more of Agent Carter and more, um, I'd be cool with a Captain Carter show. You know, there's a Captain Carter comic book series I think that came out last year. It's only five issues. I I wanted so much more of it there too.
Speaker 1 00:50:09 What's interesting is that I was, I was thinking Mr. Fantastic from Oh, the original
Speaker 2 00:50:13 Fantastic. Yeah. Him, him too. I mean I Yeah, that too.
Speaker 1 00:50:17 Uh, it's okay. It's okay. <laugh> Alex who is, who is it for you?
Speaker 3 00:50:21 It's gotta be the spiders. It's gotta be the spiders. You know, you have to have the Spider-Man coming in. And I don't feel like it's a coincidence that like across the Spider Verse and beyond the multiverse was delayed up until like this point when the peak of the multiverse is now into full effect. So if it were up to me and everyone plays their cards right for Secret Wars, we could have a lot of, you know, spider-Man cameos on this. Not just Tom obviously, but you know, Toby, Andrew Miles, maybe the Madam Web characters, Bennom, like, all of like, we're like, no one really understands this concept of Secret Wars, I feel. But everyone in the multiverse or like Marvel comics, video games, whatever, everyone is fair game up until this point. And, you know, studios allowing with their contracts. But at this point, who wouldn't wanna be in the mar in Avengers? Secret Wars? Like if you've played a Marvel character in, in anything, chances are you're gonna wanna be in a, in the, in the live action version of Secret Wars. But literally everyone is here game for this even more via unfortunately <laugh>. But I don't think they're gonna do it. They're they're not gonna go for that.
Speaker 1 00:51:40 Absolutely not <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:51:42 VIN would be so happy.
Speaker 1 00:51:43 You would. Um, so before we go, I would like to just maybe answer some of the fans' questions. Um, the first one coming from Red Dova on Twitter, which is what seems impossible even within the multiverse. And I'm gonna leave this one to Alex because if anyone's gonna be able to think of something that's impossible from within the multiverse, it's gonna be him
Speaker 3 00:52:03 Impossible within the multiverse.
Speaker 1 00:52:06 Is that even a re is that a reality in and of itself? I don't know.
Speaker 3 00:52:09 It is, it is actually. Okay. I can think of one thing, and we've already mentioned it before. You cannot have a variant of a Nexus being, okay.
Speaker 1 00:52:17 That's a, that's a great one. Absolutely. Okay, this one's coming from Infinity Gauntlet who is a Reddit mod. Um, what parts of the multiverse from the comics do you want the M C U to explore? And I'm actually gonna start this one if that's okay, because I wanna see more of the, in humans, they have always been one of my favorite characters. And there's actually a gray battle world where Medusa runs a bar and it's kind of like an espionage, um, in humans world. And I would love to see that. 'cause I think that'd be very awesome.
Speaker 2 00:52:48 And I mentioned this before, but I just want more Captain Carter and, you know, cap the Captain Carter comic books. I
Speaker 3 00:52:56 Want more. If I were to add something, and I know he's coming. He, he has to be coming, especially with Secret Wars. It has to be the beyond.
Speaker 1 00:53:06 Okay.
Speaker 3 00:53:07 There is not, there is no, and I, and this is not gonna happen in Kang Dynasty by the way, but this is my personal theory, a hundred percent for me. If I don't see Kang the conqueror about to win, beat the Avengers, defeat them at like the height of their power and then suddenly him being stabbed Ella th stabbing Anos at the 11th hour, only to be surprised by it being a variant of himself dressed in all white as the beyond. I don't see, I that's, that's literally the perfect ending for Kang Dynasty. Just kill Kang, introduce the Beyond Her Done. I want the Beyond in this by any means necessary.
Speaker 2 00:53:53 And I, I wanna just point out that it's so it's not live action, but if you are very much want the Beyond her, I just wanna give a shout out for Moon Girl and Double Dinosaur. 'cause it's coming. I feel like I'm promo on their promo team, but you know, it's coming out this week and it, the Beyond is like one of the main villains there played by Lawrence Fishburne. And you know, from what I've seen, 'cause I, I had a chance to see the episodes. It's amazing. So you're gonna wanna, you know, get your beyond or fix there.
Speaker 1 00:54:19 Love that. And we always love a plug for a Marvel project. Just a few more questions. One is coming from our writer, Vic, since there are infinite number of worlds in the multiverse. How can the watcher came up with them all? Or is he, or is he just one God who has given a hundred to a thousand worlds to guard and there are infinite number of other watchers securing other worlds? And I, this is a great question for Alex, but I feel like the question is, is that there's only one of them because he's a Nexus Beam. But I could be completely wrong.
Speaker 3 00:54:48 Where, where, where was this question? Is it in the, oh, sorry, I found this.
Speaker 1 00:54:52 No, it's okay. It's in our discord. All
Speaker 3 00:54:54 Right. Yeah. I I found it, I found it. I was like looking on Twitter, but I'm like, couldn't find it, but Right. Um, the watcher, we know there's more than one watcher. The thing, like, there's more than one watcher. There's always been more than one in the comics, and there's been more than one in the, in, in the, in the M C U, like we see, we've seen all the watchers in Live Action and Guardians of the Galaxy volume too, right? But, and so there are, there are more than one watchers. What I think makes Watchu stand out the most is that he is the one who is more likely than not to break his bowel of, of watching and interact and try to influence events to come. That's kind of like what makes Tu stand out compared to the rest of his race, because that's all he does, but like he just, he just intervenes when he's not supposed to.
Speaker 2 00:55:50 And he does that notably with the Fantastic Four, right?
Speaker 3 00:55:53 Indeed he does. Indeed, indeed he does. And indeed he does. And I'm not gonna comment beyond that. Anyways, <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:56:00 <laugh>, I think this will be probably our last question, but coming from Luke B 4 5, 7 7 in our discord, do you think Figi will consider telling more stories in the 8 3 8 universe? The second part of the question, we already answered with it, playing a role in the Secret Wars, but do we think that there might be some individual projects set in other worlds, um, maybe not even just specifically a three eight, but like, besides what if, are there gonna be some solid live action projects? And I hope so because there's a mother out there that's mad that her husband got shredded to pieces in the A three eight world, and I think we need to explore that. Um,
Speaker 3 00:56:39 A three eight wise, I don't think they will, I don't think they're gonna make a project kind of like focusing on a three eight more. So I think they're gonna explore a three eight with like the Kang Dynasty film and then when the incursion has already happened, the Battle World projects would be like the best way to have them expand on their story while still focusing on like the whole Secret War thing. Because like if, if right now we have a delay of like one year between King Dynasty and Secret Wars, and I expect that delay to expand even more because there's still so much that needs to be added in, which are not even on these slates. You don't have Spider-Man four on this. You don't have, um, the Doctor Strain sequel. You don't have Eternals two. There's so much that still needs to be explained before we even delve into Kang Dynasty, let alone Secret Wars, that I feel like there's gonna be a massive gap for them to be able to explain not only the 6 1 6 part of like the aftermath, but also kind of given tidbits about how 8 3 8 handled everything between the Multiverse Madness up until Secret Wars.
Speaker 1 00:57:57 That was some great information. And with that, we are unfortunately running out of time, but we'd love to continue the conversation with you listeners. So check us
[email protected], or you can find us on Twitter and other social medias at my Cosmic Circus and our new Cosmic Circus podcast, Twitter at Cosmic podcasts. Thank you so much again for tuning into the Cosmic Circle. My name is Brian Kitson, and you can find me on Twitter at kitson 3 0 1 ala Alex, thank you so much for joining me. But before we go, where can people find you?
Speaker 2 00:58:27 Oh, I'm so happy to have been here. So I'm ala Ruby and you can find me on Twitter at t u L I n Rights,
Speaker 3 00:58:34 And I'm so happy to have been a part of this. I do hope we get more of a chance to discuss this. I have been Alex p and you can find me on Twitter as Alex from cc.
Speaker 1 00:58:43 Thank you both so much. Again, I cannot wait for our next trip through the cosmos.
