Speaker 0 00:00:00 <silence>
Speaker 1 00:00:17 Hi, and welcome to the Cosmic Circle, the Friendly Neighborhood Companion podcast to the cosmic circus.com, your source for news and reviews about everything, science, fiction, fantasy, and comic book. I'm Ila Ruby, and today we have an awesome episode. I'm joined by my two friends, Anthony Flagg. And Drew, how are you guys doing?
Speaker 2 00:00:34 I'm pretty good. Ready to, uh, talk about some Mandalorian?
Speaker 3 00:00:39 Yeah, this is Anthony. It's Friday, so it's always a good start, you know, <laugh>, I'm always ready to chat with my friends, and I'm glad Drew's here tonight.
Speaker 2 00:00:47 Yeah. Forgot to mention, uh, this is Drew
Speaker 1 00:00:50 Our, our very special guest. 'cause we don't normally get to talk to you on the podcast. I know we talk on Discord and on Twitter, but you know, it's different live and in person.
Speaker 2 00:00:59 Yeah. I'm definitely glad to be here tonight.
Speaker 1 00:01:01 So tonight we have a super special episode. We're gonna talk about the finale of the book of Bo Catan, um, you know, otherwise known as the Mandalorian <laugh>. Um, the last episode, the Return, it just aired this week. And I'm curious, you know, what are your general thoughts? Was it like a satisfying conclusion to the, um, to the season?
Speaker 2 00:01:22 So, yeah, like I made a, I made a tweet where I said, um, the season finale is, is actually really enjoyable. It's a lot of fun if you can accept what happens and, and if you can accept what doesn't happen. I think a lot of people were kind of hoping for more, um, what more they were asking for. I, I, to be honest, I'm really not sure. I think that they just wanted a better written plot, I guess. But, um, it was a great action episode. I mean, it was well directed too. I mean, I think it was one of the finest Mandalorian episodes, like in terms of cinematography and just how much action was in there. I thought the stuff with, um, gro Gu and and Din was really heartwarming. I think I, I'm kind of happy <laugh>. I don't know, you know, I know that they kind of un, you know, they undid ev every plot line from season two, essentially this season <laugh>. But it's just like, you can't help but like, not love the fact that they're like in a little house, like in the middle of nowhere. It's just like, you just, you just can't help but love that.
Speaker 1 00:02:23 And before I go, and before I let you go on real quick, uh, if you're listening to this, there are spoilers, I probably should have mentioned that, but if you're listening to a finale recap, you kind of have to expect that.
Speaker 2 00:02:33 Yeah, I hope so. <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:02:35 <laugh>, uh, the finale for me was great because it had a lot of things that classic Star Wars has, you know, has a, a nice, mostly satisfying conclusion. We had droids, which we don't get a whole lot of in Mandalorian. Like he had the assistance of R five, helping him get through those gates. I love that part. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> with the mouse OIDs and everything. And then <laugh>, you had a nice action scene with the Pretorian guards and with the dark saber rest in peace, dark saber, <laugh>. Um, and, and, and, you know, you had just a, a whole army approaching, like, you know, it was awesome seeing dozens of Mandalorians flying in air at each other and just doing some cool moves. So I enjoyed it for, for the finale itself was a great episode. Short and sweet. Didn't have to drag it out too long. Um, as far for this season, I understand where some people might see some frustrations, but overall, if this would've been the series finale for Mandalorian, I would've been very happy, especially with that closing shot.
Speaker 1 00:03:36 And we're gonna talk about that later.
Speaker 2 00:03:39 Yeah. It does end kind of on like, um, I, I saw like a lot of like, you know, probably like 50% of people saying, you know, like, if this was the end and it would work really well. I think to some degree I, I agree with that. And I think to some degree it probably is a little bit of the end. I mean, um, you know, they kind of talked about how everything, uh, uh, like Felon and Favre, I believe, I don't remember what exactly what press event it was at, but they kind of mentioned that everything has an engine and they're kind of getting to that kind of culmination. And, you know, with the, the announcement and celebration of the movie, you know, you'd have to kind of assume that's probably it for, you know, the Mando and Grow gu I'm sure Grow Google will continue on because there's just no way, you can't keep using Gro Gu, but <laugh>, I'm assuming there'll be some sort of, there'll be some sort of resolution to everything. I think, um, that'll kind of lead into the sequel trilogy.
Speaker 1 00:04:27 Now, you mentioned Celebration. Were you surprised then, or it doesn't sound like you were surprised that, um, you know, there was a lot of mention of the Soka. There was obviously a lot of mention of three movies and, and you know, felons movie that kind of ties in all the TV shows. Um, were you surprised we didn't hear anything about a season four or, you know, anything moving forward about,
Speaker 2 00:04:47 I mean, the Midor ticks its time with production. If you have, you know, like the last season that came out was at the end of 2020. It was a good, good time. <laugh>, you know, good, good long while ago. You know, I kind of felt weird having new Mandalorian episodes just based of how, how much of, you know, how much has gone on in the world since then. So it's, it's been a bit weird to like, see any Mandalian episode. So, no, I think, you know, I think it'll come out in probably season four. I, I definitely think season four will get made based off the fact that FAU said that it's already written. It's just about going into production, into production. And it'll probably do so probably by the end of the year. Um, I know we have know the, the strike coming up that we'll probably talk about, but, um, I think that'll probably affect, you know, multiple Star Wars projects. But, um, yeah, I think I would say, you know, season four probably come in probably like two years or so.
Speaker 3 00:05:43 It's funny you mentioned the long gap. 'cause you know what I realized that season two of Mandalorian, I didn't even know y'all, we weren't even Quin. We weren't friends. We didn't know each other. That's how long it was between it's,
Speaker 2 00:05:57 It's been that long. Yeah. So when did
Speaker 1 00:05:59 Season One Air then what? Because
Speaker 2 00:06:01 2019.
Speaker 3 00:06:02 2019 because it came out, oh goodness. They tied up, uh, one of the episodes where Gro Gu used to force healing with the rise of Skywalker, where Ray did it herself. Yeah, yeah. Remember it was that same week. I'll never forget that.
Speaker 2 00:06:13 Gosh, I do remember that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that
Speaker 1 00:06:16 Was a long time ago. That's like a lifetime ago. Holy moly. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:06:20 So that was the first thing I was like, well, first off, it's been a while, but I'm so glad that we're here and talking about season three because there in 2020, I'm like, all right, damn. They left us on a big cliffhanger and then we got Book of Boba Fe a year ago. So even then, there was still a couple years in between we even saw what happened with them.
Speaker 2 00:06:38 So yeah, I think that kind of bridged the gap a little bit. That's why it helped it, it did. It, it, it really, it Book of Boba Effect really did feel like Mandalorian in season three. I mean, well,
Speaker 1 00:06:47 There theres a lot, there's a lot of Mando in the book of Boba Effect. You know, he like, yeah.
Speaker 3 00:06:52 He gets his own episode. Yeah. There's a whole episode that completely belongs to Mando much and then half of another one that went to Roku. Yeah. You
Speaker 2 00:07:00 Could say Mando. Yeah. Pretty much too. Yeah. I mean, it's just nuts. But yeah, I think, um, that's just such a, that <laugh>, the I know, I know it's like a, it's like beating a dead horse, but the writing with, with Book of Goldhead season one, it's like, I don't understand why they just didn't, they weren't able to just make that into Mandalorian in season three. Mm-hmm. You know, like, it, it really felt like there was so much in those three episodes that could have been used in Season three two further the plot in such a, a meaningful way. And I think that's what people are really upset about with season, with season three, is the lack of kind of development in certain aspects. And I think that you had such a clear development in, in, in, you know, you had Book of Boba Effect. You had those three episodes. You had the one episode where Mandos, with, with the Armor and with where you learn a lot more about Mandalorian culture in the Dark Saber, even have a trial of the Dark Saber, which is just such a crazy thing to throw in like a random episode of the book of Boba. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then you have episode six with Luke Skywalker and Soka and Gro Gu and Jedi training. And, and then, you know, like, it don't forget my boy,
Speaker 2 00:08:07 There was just so much Yeah, R two too. There was just so much there that they totally could have used in season three of Mando that I think they almost kind of, they used up a lot of their story in those, in those for like those three episodes that kind of left a hole in season three a little bit.
Speaker 3 00:08:25 If you listen to the one podcast that I did with Vic and Brian in the beginning of season of Mando, I made a mention of how upset I was that they never put in any recap what happened in Book of Boba fet. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I still like, am upset that they never incorporated, not even in like the individual episodes, they left you completely hanging. If you didn't watch Book of Boba Fe you walked into it saying, why is Gro go back? Yeah. What is happening? Like, did I miss something? You did. You absolutely did. Why is he on this big mission to go to man Lawyer? Like, everything that drove the season was driven by what happened in Book of Boba Fat. And yet we didn't explore that. And
Speaker 1 00:09:03 That was me.
Speaker 2 00:09:03 Why is he flying, uh, Anakin Skywalkers and One Star Fighter <laugh>? You know?
Speaker 1 00:09:08 And that was me too, because I, you know, I didn't think that I needed the book of Boba to watch Season three of the Mandalorian. So, you know, when I watched that, that first episode, I was very confused. 'cause I had just, you know, I was, um, I was binging it. So I had just finished, you know, the last episode of season two and he's back. And I was just so confused and I had to go look it up. Um, and I think that actually, you know, goes to a larger point about the show too, because I think they kind of assume that you're all extremely online and, you know, not everyone is online. Not everyone knows that you need to have that, that backstory to understand and enjoy the show, um, essentially.
Speaker 2 00:09:51 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:09:52 And I think some of the extremely Blindness too may have also hurt, um, hurt the expectations for this final episode because, you know, like if you were on Twitter, there's a lot of talk, like, there were a lot of expectations, right? Like people were saying that someone was gonna die. Right. There was the expectation that one, either Boca 10, um, Roku or Din were gonna die. Um, you know, there's a lot of chatter over the spies, which kind of was led into from the last episode and kind of a little bit of a theme of the series. But, you know, there's just like all this talk and it was so built up. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 00:10:26 People were expecting cameos. Like, why, what would it serve? Like no, we just, they've assembled everyone that needs to be there. They're there. We don't always need someone to bail you out like they did in season two. Mm-hmm. I mean, don't get me wrong, it was awesome to see Loose Skywalker, but like, Christ, part of the whole journey was mandalorians themselves without external help. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> retaking their world
Speaker 1 00:10:51 Working together.
Speaker 3 00:10:53 Exactly. Exactly. So that was the whole point was to show like they were fractured because of themselves. Look, we need a leader in the form of Boan who did it, led them assembled, everyone showed up and then just took Al Gideon and the whole base. Yeah. Why? Because they finally worked together. There was no strife. They didn't, you know, you were, I was kind of expecting them to have like a little bit of a moment where they were kind of unsure about things. But, you know, once they once, uh, PVIS did that big speech, I knew right then we're, they're good. They're on the same page and we're gonna move forward.
Speaker 1 00:11:29 I think that it would be, I'm, I'm really glad that they didn't have cameos in this finale, because I think you can't beat Season Two's finale. Like, it was so unexpected. And I know I did a double take and it was like, wait, is that really him? And then R two D two was there, and I was just like, holy crap, this is amazing. And I don't think that would've worked a second time. 'cause everyone, like you said, was like expecting something. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,
Speaker 2 00:11:56 To be honest, I really wasn't expecting any, I wasn't expecting any cameo. I, at the most, I was expecting like Fenra, like I know there's a lot of talk about Fen. I mean, I don't know. You have to watch Rebels know who Fenra is. I apologize if you guys haven't seen No,
Speaker 1 00:12:10 You're good.
Speaker 2 00:12:11 Um, yeah, FENRA, I mean, was a big, um, big part of the original kind of retaking a mandal with Boca Tan and Sabine Ren. Meanwhile, Sabine Ren missing from the season, big issues with that. I mean, she was, uh, very, very crucial to the Mandal or plot. Um, I think there was a lot of aspects of Clone Wars and Rebels that were missing from this season. And I'm, and I kind of wonder if that's from the lack of fell because he was busy with Asoka, um, Favreau probably, you know, I'm just wondering, I I, I'm, I'm wondering if Felon was more involved or if he, if he wasn't as involved. 'cause there certainly felt like a lack of, um, clone Wars rebels kind of. 'cause we know Anthony, you just talked about, um, how everybody kind of came together so easily, how the two clans came together.
Speaker 2 00:13:01 And that's such a big plot because, and again, you're gonna have to see Clone Wars to understand this, but you have the two factions of Death Watch. You have Boca Tan's faction, and then you have the faction that kind of lived on Concordia that were the descendants. They're, you know, the children of the watch. Mm-hmm. They're the, they're the other faction of, of Death Watch that kind of stayed loyal to Darth Ma after he, after he took over Mandal, he killed Privila with, and, you know, he claimed a dark saber. And then there was Death Watch Mandalorians who were loyal to him. You know, the children of the watch. These are, these are their children. So they're kind of sworn enemies in a sense. Boan, you know, betrayed Death Watch essentially, and left and formed her own faction. And they both walk like completely different, you know, ways of life.
Speaker 2 00:13:45 And they're, they are just like sworn enemies. They, they mentioned that, um, I think Ma Gideon mentions that, like he, you know, he, he says, um, you know, like Boan is with like the children of the Watch or something like that. And he's like, that's impossible. They're sworn enemies. And we kind of really never get like a, we get like a little bit of it, but we don't really kinda get like a backstory into that. And I, I really thought we were kind of gonna get like another kind of civil war between the two factions this season before they kind of come together to take Menlo. And to be honest, like, I, I was kind of expecting that. So I was really surprised when, you know, the Armor and Boca kind of joined forces so quickly. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, I wasn't, I wouldn't say I was frustrated. It just was like, you, you know, you have such a rich history and a rich lore with Mand lore and to kind of, I, I mean, I guess maybe it's just turning the page and starting a new Right. You know, writing, you know, um, I think that was kinda like the sense that they wanted to, you know, the armor was like, you know, we all need to kind of come together.
Speaker 1 00:14:46 It's, it seemed like a little bit of a missed opportunity. And I, you, you touched on that this, this clash of cleanse for maybe even a, an overarching season arc, because that could have been really cool. And I think that could have, you know, one of the criticisms of the season has been that Mando didn't really have a whole lot of development. And I think that could have really, um, you know, caused him to wrestle with this, these other ways of being a Mandalorian. And, you know, he, he did that a little bit, but it seemed like it was just kind of, um, there, there wasn't that focus on it. And that could've been really interesting. I,
Speaker 2 00:15:21 I, I kind of think of it in like a game of throne sense. I I think Mando could've been like a pseudo John Snow in a sense where you kind of bring everybody together, right? Because I hate to, I, I, you know, I hate to relate it, but the Mandal plot is so similar to like Game of Throne stuff. You know, you have Boca Tan who's kind of like Ari. She's like the, the exiled like heir to the throne, essentially. And there's a, there's a lot of people who don't think that she does, you know, that don't think she deserves, doesn't think she deserves the throne. And, um, I kind of felt like there was such an opportunity there for din to be the middleman and bring together two completely different groups of people. And like, there was such an opportunity there for development that it, it, it almost felt like they, you know, they, they could have di like, they could have went deeper into that, and they never did. And it was more so like, didn't kind of join the children of the watch, never removed his helmet.
Speaker 1 00:16:16 Um, do you think that, do you think that when, um, when he Mando supported, you know, her with the dark Saber and basically said that, you know, it's hers on this, this technicality. Do you think that was like,
Speaker 2 00:16:31 They totally wrote themselves into a corner with that? I mean, they, I don't even know why I, I hate to like harp on it so much. Um, I think there's nothing wrong with making them, with making Mando and Boca Tan enemies for a little while and then kind of bringing them back together. The Boca Tan from Clone Wars definitely would've, like fought Didn't over the dark Saber <laugh>. And it just kind of feels like, I, I don't know. You have such a change of heart in Boca Tan without such a, an explanation of that. Even in from the season two finale, she looks so angry that Den has the, has the Dark sa and Moge didn't kind of like taunts her about it, you know, like, and you kind of get this sense that they're gonna be like, there's gonna be come, you know, like they're gonna be enemies for a little while. And I just think that they kind of wrote themselves into a corner. If they didn't wanna make Bocata and din, you know, enemies for a little while, then <laugh>, they kind of like gave it to her on a technicality. Right. Like, you know.
Speaker 1 00:17:31 Yeah. Do you think, and, and what I'm curious on your thoughts too. Do you think that this is why, um, you know, the dark saber met the end that it got, you know, after like it was super important, right? You know, you have to have the dark saber to rule mandal. You know, obviously we just talked about the, you know, VOCA 10 getting it, but obviously it was a big, um, plot with Moth Gideon and, and what was at the end of season one, and just like threw out Star Wars properties and then it's just busted.
Speaker 2 00:17:58 Yeah. I mean, the dark saber is such a crucial kind of, it's just, it's, it's, I don't know. That was my biggest problem with the finale. I, I really enjoyed the finale. I really, I really did like it. I thought it was a lot of fun. Um, I just thought I, I love big action sequences like that. And it was just, it was like on such a grand scale that I, and the cinematography was great. It, it looked great. So I really enjoyed that. The one aspect I didn't like was just, you know, destroying the dark saber. I, I was not a fan of that, mainly because I feel like they didn't know how to write the story of the dark saber. They didn't know what to do with it. Next, they've committed to Boan, she's the ruler mandal, or, and that she does, it kind of seems like they're accepting that they're turning the page on everything that they've done manor wise. And they're completely bu starting a new, which maybe isn't a terrible thing when Mandal has been completely destroyed, and you wanna start a new on Mandal. But yeah, I mean, overall, I, I just, I don't know. I, I feel like there's so much more left to do with, with certain, with Mandalorian aspects.
Speaker 1 00:19:01 What do you think Red?
Speaker 3 00:19:03 So it's funny you mentioned the dark saber question to me because maybe you missed it, but I wrote it in Discord, uh, like a thought I had about it. I'm like, yes, I'm kind of sad that the dark saber were destroyed. I mean, it's a quite a crucial and important weapon as we mentioned. But the fact that they were stuck in this ancient way of, that the only way for someone to rule was by possessing a weapon. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's very what Arthurian the best way to put it.
Speaker 1 00:19:30 Yeah. I think that's a great, great way of describing it.
Speaker 3 00:19:33 But at this point, I think it was the trials that Bo went through this season alongside Mandalorian that shows that it doesn't matter if she had the dark saber or not by the point that she actually had it literally handed to her. She had earned it through her leadership. And, and my comment ultimately was, even though the weapons signified the role, it's the fact that Bo this season so showed that she was in, she had that role. It was innate to her. It, it was just already there within and adding the, the dark saber, you could almost, I wouldn't even call it an asterisk or anything, just like it was there to signify the, the moment when it was apparent so that the other mandalorians could see it. At that point, it didn't matter if she had it, that thing could have been thrown in the trash as soon as it happened. But it was when the other mandalorians realized it, and that's what set the course for her. And yet again, it really sucks that it got destroyed in that manner. But it doesn't matter. We got to see her do a very important ritual. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, she re-lit the forge there underneath Mandalore. Like, that's, that's like going to Mecca, that's going to Jerusalem. That's your big holy moment. She did it, it was her.
Speaker 1 00:20:57 Do you, go ahead. I think that, you know, if you look at, and I'm glad you mentioned like that she didn't really need it at the end too, because, you know, and that, and that, and I keep calling it the pilot, but it's not, it's the first episode of season three. Like, she, we meet her and she's like sprawled on her throne, right? She's depressed. She is like scoffing at, at, at Mando, just saying like, she doesn't have the dark saber. What, what could she do, essentially? And now by the end, you know, it's, it's totally different. And I think she re like her character had a lot of growth over the season and I think that, you know, that's a really interesting arc for her. And she's in a different place and, um, more worthy of being, you know, the ruler of the Mandalorian. So I thought, I think that was really fun and just really great storytelling. Um,
Speaker 3 00:21:44 You know, something I almost expected to happen, it's a little cheesy, forgive me listeners, but it would've been neat that at the very end they showed the Mandalorian and then an s kind of slowly faded in the Mandalorians. Ooh. Just because the way that they handled it we're not just focusing on one singular storyline because we spent a good amount of time with her as well. And if you think about it by the end of this finale, what is Gro Gu? He is a Mandalorian, now he's dads put and forth. So you could almost say, this is the Mandalorians, and you're telling multiple stories. You're telling that of D Jar and that of Din Gro Gu, that of Boca, it was just like a thing. I was like, I gotta mention this to somebody. 'cause I had the thought.
Speaker 2 00:22:28 I think they're going for another TV show, honestly, with Boca and Mandal
Speaker 3 00:22:32 A separate one.
Speaker 2 00:22:33 That's the, that's like the kind of feeling that I got from that. Like, you, you kind of split everybody up in a sense. You, you send din off with Gro gu you send them back to kind of season one kind of aspect, you know? I mean, they kind of like said it, you know, we're go on a case by case basis. It's like we're doing episode of the week, you know, like <laugh>, um, they kind of said it, you know, like, so that, that's where we're headed with season four. And you can't really just leave all these characters, just, they're doing nothing. Um, so I think they'll probably, I could see them kind of doing a season of maybe Boca Armor or, you know, ax Axe Woves and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, Cosco Reeves, you know, like just rebuilding Mand or I would love to see that there's more to do with the Midor. Yeah. There's, there's more to do with, you know, Mandal itself, rebuilding the capital city. Um, so yeah, I, I mean, I would love to see another, like a Mandal show. I think that there's, there's kind of a lot of room for it.
Speaker 1 00:23:34 Not everyone is gonna be happy that Mandal is back. Right. Essentially. And not everyone is gonna be happy with how Mandal, um, is gonna be governed. You know, there, the three factions essentially have Peace right now is a three right now. Yeah. But, you know, maybe we'll get, or is it four? I've, I've lost track. Um, you know, maybe there'll be, maybe that Civil War storyline you mentioned before, you know, could come into play in a season four. Um,
Speaker 2 00:24:03 It would be kind of redundant if they did a, so it's again, to kind of reference Clone Wars and Rebels again, we didn't see anybody from Klan Saxon, and they were the, they were the enemies in Clone Wars and Rebels. They, they were the, the faction of Mandalorians, the Klan of Mandalorians that basically took Imperial, like they were under imperial order. And basically they ruled Mandal war because the Empire allowed them to essentially. So I think that there's, there's, um, still room for like a storyline there of, I mean, would it be redundant to do Saxon Empire story again? Maybe a little bit. But, um, I think that they could get creative if they had good writing.
Speaker 1 00:24:47 Um, now we have, I wanna get into a little bit more specifics then, you know, besides just what we were talking about and kind of, um, get your general opinions and a few things. And then we're gonna talk about questions. Um, so, you know, favorite moments from this, um, this finale and least favorite moments. And Red, I'm gonna go ahead and, you know, put you on the spot for this.
Speaker 3 00:25:07 Oh, I definitely know my favorite moment. It was, um, there where Gro Gu was fighting alongside Den when they were going up against the Pretorian guards. I almost really liked the moment before, while he still had the IG unit and everything, but it was just really cool just seeing him using the force in little bits. You know, he wasn't even going so, so hard with it. He just did enough to push their weapons away or to get them in a spot. And I never really thought I'd see Groul and, and, and the Mando teaming up. So <laugh> thinking that like, Hey, we're only far along. Imagine how future action sequences could be when, when Groul himself can start shooting and, and Malay and stuff. And whenever, um, I'm sure his powers in the force are gonna grow, there's no way he's gonna give that up. So it's just, it's neat to see what they could possibly do. And it, it was just cool seeing how little he was and how capable he was. And you gotta admit, Pretorian guards are like the toughest sobs in the galaxy, and they took out three of them and he didn't even have weaponry except for like one gun. Like imagine a fully armed, like set up Mando, he probably could have taken at least one by himself, but seeing them three team up was awesome.
Speaker 1 00:26:24 Do you think the Pretorian guards in, you know, this, this episode were, um, were basically equivalent to those in the last Jedi. Were they as as badass for lack of a better
Speaker 3 00:26:37 No, I think they were a little s o p, but that happens. I understand for the sake of it, Mandel could had to come out of that one. So, um,
Speaker 2 00:26:46 Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3 00:26:48 But then as far as my least favorite moment just before I forget it, um, I wasn't that crazy about the whole clone thing because now it opened up the discourse for people to say, is it possible that that Gideon himself was a clone? That's like the only thing I, I didn't care for. Just 'cause I know that's gonna be the thing talked about until we get an official answer one day.
Speaker 1 00:27:11 And I think we're gonna talk about that again too in a little bit. 'cause that was one of our questions. But Drew, how about you? What was your favorite moment and your like least favorite moment?
Speaker 2 00:27:20 Um, favorite moments? I mean, I think the whole kind of last 20 minutes of the episode were, was kind of my favorite. When you get that huge kind of action sequence, it like felt like a, like a clone wars almost kind of scene. You have all the mandalorians flying in with the jet packs against like the, the Imperial, you know, um, is it Imperial Super Commandos? I don't remember the specific name of the troopers. But yeah, I just love that whole kind of action sequence. I love the, the Moth, Gideon Mandalorian helmet, and he looked super cool with that man. I, I really love that. It's gonna make for like, some cool like merchandise. You know, people are gonna go crazy for that. But, um, I thought there was some good action. I I, I, I liked the, you know, the Mando and Boca Tan and Gro versus Moth, Gideon, and I <laugh>, I like the part when Gro Gu does like a little knee slide that kind of mirrors, uh, Boca Tan and, and, and Mando.
Speaker 2 00:28:18 Um, so yeah, I like the last, like the, you know, the final battle was definitely one of my favorite aspects, my least favorite. I already mentioned I didn't like the dark saber being destroyed. I think 'cause a lot of Star Wars fans have a personal attachment to that kind of storyline. Um, I did not like in the very beginning how quickly Roku, um, saves d I thought that was a little bit cheap. Um, I don't think we ever really saw him going back and how he got back into the base. I don't think there was ever really kind of a explanation unless I missed something. I mean, did you guys see anything? Uh, I kind of, I've seen some comments, like, we don't really know how he got back in there. Um, from
Speaker 3 00:29:00 What I remember, groud took off while PVIS was holding off everybody. Like, he had taken off before even the Mandalorian had mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So,
Speaker 2 00:29:11 Yeah, I don't know, like regardless, it was kind of unexplained. It was maybe something you have to like, you know, look in the background for, but mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, I, yeah. I also, I forgot to mention I really liked the hallway fight scene <laugh>. That was like very daredevil like. Yep. I really liked that. It felt very like daredevil kind of choreography. I, I really dug that. That was cool. I, I almost kind of forgot about that because it was in the beginning of the episode, but that was a highlight for me too. So, yeah, I really, um, y you know, there's some story bits that, you know, maybe I don't love, but I, I really liked this finale. I thought it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 00:29:49 Yeah. And thinking about the things that I like, you know, I, and, and didn't like, there was, I think so much more that I liked than I didn't like. And you know, I guess I'll mention a couple specific moments. You know, that final scene I thought was just lovely, where they're on the, the cabin in Navarro and Rogo has the Little frog and, you know, we, we fade down to that circle. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that was just super cute. Um, I, I loved the scene with, um, with our five Yes. And Yeah, you mentioned that and, and like the little mouse droids and he just, you know, jet packs away. I, that was so cute. And it reminded me of, um, you know, that famous R two D two scene where, you know, he's saving everyone else's butt. So I thought that was kind of a nice callback to, to the older movies.
Speaker 1 00:30:36 Um, and I, I liked everything with Carson Eva. Mm-hmm. Because I really liked the actor. Um, and I, you know, it's, it's somewhat jarring for me too. 'cause I'm so used to seeing him from Kim's convenience apa, so Yep. Apa. Exactly. And like, I, I hear Yapa voice and I just like, and now in Star Wars clothes, so it's like, you know, it's, it's, there's a disconnect there, but I'm enjoying all of it. Um, as far as stuff I didn't like, like this was a very action packed episode in a very short period of time. Right. And I think that I wanted a little bit more time to breathe between the action sequences. And I think there was a moment where they're in the garden, right, in the undergrad caves, you know, they're having their Jurassic Park moment. It's like life persists, but really, you know, if you watch Jurassic Park, it's like life finds away. Um, I would've liked to spend just maybe another minute there because just a whole lot of stuff going on. And that was just very pretty. And it was just a moment to breathe. So I wish we had spent more time there.
Speaker 3 00:31:38 I have one honorable mention. Okay. I'd, I'd say the coolest shot in the episode though was when Bocata was leading the charge and Unsheathed the dark saber. You gotta admit that was, that looked, it looked so cool, man. Like, that was like, that's a moment you're gonna remember like similar the way you think back mm-hmm. <affirmative> in certain moments with the original trilogy. I'm like, I'm never gonna forget that shot of Bo Katan flying dark saber in hand leading. Yeah. Very cool. A crap ton of Mandalorians, man.
Speaker 1 00:32:06 Now I wanna, you know, kind of reminding me of that a little bit is, you know, some of our questions because, you know, so my, my, I guess my main question, and this is a question that, um, that Blacklight also asked us in our discord, is Gideon really dead? Do you guys, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 00:32:27 I made a tweet the other day. I was like, season four, episode seven. Somehow Gideon returned <laugh>. Like, like, uh, I feel like we're heading towards that. And at this point it wouldn't shock me. I mean, kind of like they like to put Gideon in the last two episodes to give them a villain of the season. I mean, is he dead? Could it been one of his clones? I mean, that's a great, somebody should tell John Favreau that <laugh>, you know, he could write that in and then bring John car Esposito back. Um, I think that's, there's definitely a possibility is, you know, is is he dead? Um, a lot of people mentioned that he had no mustache and his hair was gray. And he, that's not how he looked last season. And I think that was because, uh, if you ever noticed, or if you noticed, there was very little amount of drunk Carlos Esposito.
Speaker 2 00:33:12 And I think that he was probably filming something else that required him not to have a mustache. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> not to dye his hair. You know, like, so I would assume that's probably why he, that's why they probably put them in the, put him in the helmet. 'cause there was really no kind of backstory to like, besides the fact that he was on Mandore, um, as to why he had the, the Mandalorian helmet on, I would assume probably 'cause he wasn't really available for filming for a good portion of the Mo Gideon stuff. Um, could they kind of wreck on that into it was one of his clones and he was somewhere else? Absolutely. Um, I don't see any reason why not. Would people hate that? Probably would Some people like that probably. Um, <laugh> <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:33:54 <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:33:55 And I wanna ask real quick too, and, and this is also to, to Anthony when he, you know, when he talks about, you know, if he thinks Gideon is dead, do you think that his, like Gideon's death was, was me like, should he have died in battle or is like the this fiery spaceship crashing down on him, you know, a, a good end for him?
Speaker 3 00:34:15 I think it's a good end because at the same time it signifies how everything just went wrong and blew up in his face, literally. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I mean, think about it, couple days before everything was peachy keen and then Mandalorian shows up again. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> or the second time and ruins his life like season one. Third time. You're right. Geez, man,
Speaker 1 00:34:35 He's the big bat of all three seasons essentially.
Speaker 3 00:34:37 Right? No, I just two episodes as well. Yeah. But it was like season one. He, he knocked him outta that tie fighter thought he was dead, left him there. Season two, helps him get captured and taken away, thinks he's dead. And then boom, surprised I'm still here. Like Christ, I, I do feel bad for Mando. You really think you've gotten rid of this guy. And he keeps popping back up. Mando even says to Gugu, we're never gonna be safe until this guy is gone, so I need you to be brave and let's go take him on. And then they did.
Speaker 1 00:35:09 That moment was just so like, heartwarming, you know, that should have been in the, in the top moments too, I think, because that is, I I, that was just phenomenal.
Speaker 3 00:35:21 Yeah. When he is like, at Ggo, I need you to be brave. That was just like,
Speaker 2 00:35:24 Yeah, I know. He,
Speaker 3 00:35:25 He is no longer just a manor. He is a dad. Exactly. But like, that was the moment where it's like, you know,
Speaker 2 00:35:31 The Delorian. Yeah. <laugh> the
Speaker 3 00:35:33 Delorian. And that's what I liked there about the very ending when, when he spoke up for Grogan, said, you know, like, I speak on his behalf. I want him to, to become a my apprentice and everything. The way they tied it from the beginning of the episode there to the end, it was just beautiful.
Speaker 2 00:35:49 Yeah. So I'm gonna mention something real quick. I, I had a, so earlier, early in the season, I kind of had a theory, um, once there was some, um, there were some rumors that he had a Mandalorian helmet. So I had some ideas about that. Um, I, you know, earlier in the season I was gonna write an article about how he wasn't really m Gideon obviously this, this didn't transpire. And, you know, I kind of wish it would've 'cause it felt like it would be cool, but where he kind of wasn't Moth gide anymore. He was just Gideon. Um, and one of the kind of evil exiled factions of Mandalorians break him out of prison and he becomes a Mandalorian a part of their man tribe. And, and then you have those two Mandalorian factions fighting for whoever. He takes Mandalorian. And essentially Gideon becomes a Mandalorian because he hasn't, because he's kind of like, he was captured, he's kind of become invalidated by the empire.
Speaker 2 00:36:48 Um, so he has nowhere left to go. And I felt like that would've been like a really, um, like a great story to see both Din and the children of the watch. And then getting the flip side of that and seeing Gideon with another Mend lawyer infection and just seeing kind of like, you know, kind of getting like a mirror of the two, like yin the yang almost in a sense. Uh, um, that was just like an idea I had. And I, I kind of wish they pursued that, or I wish, I wish we could've got something close to that, but you know, obviously we didn't.
Speaker 1 00:37:19 All right. So, you know, obviously, you know, there's some maybe a little bit of interesting thoughts on whether or not he Gideon's a clone or whether or not he's actually dead. You know, blacklight from our Discord had a question sort of related to that, and he wanted to know, you know, do we think the Gideon cloning storyline set up, you know, all the way back when we first saw Gideon, uh, you know, is it connected to Palp Palpatine's cloning programs? Um, or is it just, you know, one of Gideon's side projects because he kept it secret from Hucks and you know, the other folks at the Shadow Council?
Speaker 3 00:37:53 My initial thought is that it could be a little bit of both. So it had something to do with Palpatine's cloning and the fact that he was able to find the engineer and Dr. Pershing and then the resources to start getting the cloning process started. Right. But at the same time, he was keeping it like, hey, not to the forefront, you know, as Black Light even mentions that he kept it a secret from Hucks and the other war lo warlords. So I'd call it a little bit of both.
Speaker 2 00:38:26 I would agree. Um, yeah, I think it's definitely, they are definitely heading towards, uh, they're building up to, you know, they're, um, I think they're trying to do it justice, which is so funny because the Palpatine storyline, I mean, there's kind of rumors that Ian Germed kind of came in at the last second for Palpatine, so it kind of feels like it was an idea that they threw together at the last second. And now they kind of have a whole faction of Star Wars that's kind of dedicated to validating this story that a lot of people thought was just totally bogus. But yeah, to answer the question, I I do, um, you have a connection between the Bad Batch. Uh, I don't know if anybody's seen, I don't know if you guys have seen The Bad Batch, but there is a pretty big cloning storyline with Camino in the first season of Bad Batch, where basically the, the cloning, um, I forgot what the Caman Owens basically are taken by the Empire, um, for their cloning research that probably leads to this where, you know, you have Gideon now cloning, trying to imbue himself with, you know, infuse the force into his clones.
Speaker 2 00:39:31 And obviously we, we, we see that that's successful. 'cause Smoke eventually does have the, he wheels the force and we know he's a clone. So eventually that we know that that kind of whatever they're doing there is successful. I think, um, I don't remember, somebody mentioned Project Neck Romancer
Speaker 1 00:39:47 With Pershing, right?
Speaker 2 00:39:50 No, it was in the Shadow Council. They mentioned, uh, like a very quickly, they said something about Project Necromancer. And I mean, I would assume that that's probably Palpatine stuff, you know? So
Speaker 1 00:40:01 Do you think that, do you think that'll come, you know, back Project Necromancer? Will we see that expanded upon or Yeah. Will it be just something in the Galaxy that we're not?
Speaker 2 00:40:13 Yeah. Um, I do, uh, probably in the Culmination movie, I think we'll probably like get some, we'll probably see the Shadow Council again. We'll probably see Huck's dad, um, Pelion th Throne. I I, I would almost like, I I would love to see Maf Gideon Andron interact. 'cause it's very clear that they don't really like each other. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I thought it'd been really great for Thon to be the one to kill Maf Gideon. Um, but yeah, I, I think that'll come back and uh, 'cause there is gonna become like a, this story is gonna come to an end. Thra is gonna lose eventually. Um, there's gonna be an end to the story and there's gonna be the sequel trilogy. And how do you tie those together? More than likely it's gonna be the cloning stuff, the Papine, you know, you're gonna have Run Lose, you're gonna have, Gideon's gonna lose. Um, I mean, we don't know actually 'cause the first order, I mean, they, they're successful. So I would assume that, you know, if Thro and Gideon lose, it's, it, it keeps the Empire alive somehow. And that's probably through cloning with, you know, they, they're, they're able to make sn, you know,
Speaker 1 00:41:19 I'm so glad you mentioned th because I know one of, um, like there was a lot of speculation about this episode and people thought, well, maybe we'll see th on. Um, did you guys ever think that was a possibility when, you know, obviously, we'll we're gonna see him in a Soca? Um,
Speaker 2 00:41:36 Yeah, Fran is, uh, Fran is very far away. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:41:40 Yeah, I agree
Speaker 2 00:41:41 With that. He's some, he's somewhere, you know, him and Ezra are, uh, somewhere unreachable. Obviously <laugh> and Ian kind of hints towards that. He is like, you know, they're, they're working on his grand, they're working on a grand plan to bring him back. And I mean, obviously that's gonna, what's gonna come to fruition in Asoka. You're gonna see that plan. You're gonna see them, I would assume most of Asoka, you know, Asoka is gonna further a lot of the plot that you see from Mandalorian this season with the New Republic and the Empire. You're gonna see, you know, O Soka and Sabine looking for Ezra. And then you're gonna have, on the flip side, you're gonna have other people looking for Thrawn. And I would assume probably it ends with both of them coming back and, and they may continue on from there. You know,
Speaker 3 00:42:29 Your comments just made me realize that the episode, the Jedi of season two of the Mandalorian was a backdoor pilot for Asoka.
Speaker 2 00:42:37 It was indeed. I think
Speaker 1 00:42:38 That's
Speaker 3 00:42:39 True. Yeah. It's been a long time since I've seen a show actually become a backdoor pilot out of something else, especially this big, like
Speaker 2 00:42:45 Yeah, no, it definitely is. Yeah, because, uh, you have, uh, Morgan SBE in the trailer. She's the nice sister, um, um, you know, with the best car staff. Mm-hmm. She's back in the, and you know, we see her in the trailer. She's in actually, uh, if you notice, if you look at the trailer, she's in the same ship that you see Thro walking in. Um, you see the shot of, you know, behind Thra, you see them in the same ship together. She is the, the difference between the shot is one is at night and one is during the day. And I think that was kind of to try and throw the audience off, but mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you can see they're in the same ship. So whatever is going on with Thra, she's obviously involved. And, um, and clearly, you know, Soka knows that she knows Soka knows that she, that Morgan Elizabeth knows where Ron is essentially. So, I mean,
Speaker 3 00:43:29 Right.
Speaker 2 00:43:30 I think we're heading towards that. So,
Speaker 1 00:43:33 Um, so I have a couple of things that I'm gonna like ask you guys about and not quite rapid fire, but I just want, you know, your opinion. So nobody wrote them at the, so at the end of the episode, are you sad about that? Did you
Speaker 3 00:43:47 Absolutely,
Speaker 2 00:43:48 Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:43:49 Sure. First episode of the show, we literally quilt, you know, telling him, Hey, your people once rode the great Mythos Sour and nobody rode the damn Mythos Sour <laugh>. And I'm just curious why they showed the shot of his eye. Like it looked like Grove talked to it through the forest, did it not? Was that okay? So it wasn't just me because it was like he had the moment where like he's focusing and then all of a sudden, like the camera switches over to the Mior and he opens up his eye and I'm like, did he tell him something? Like, is there some quiet communication that theories?
Speaker 2 00:44:18 Yeah, I've seen some theories that people are like, you know, gro is Mandal lawyer because he was, you know, he awakened the myth. I dunno, uh, you know, maybe they'll touch on that eventually. But yeah, I think the myth stuff was a missed opportunity, especially because you hint at it in, in episode two, um, that kind of gave me the sense it's like, you know, we're gonna get the myth story at the end of the season. You know, that mo like a very cliche plot is you hint at something toward, at the beginning of the season and then it comes to fruition at the end of the season. And you even have Boca Tan spinning like two episodes trying to convince the armor that the Metar is real. Yep. Um, and you get to the point where she believes her and, and then it just feels like kind of none of that really matters. Matters. Yeah. And you're even at the, at the end, you're even in the same like, you know, wa I don't know, is it a lake? I don't even know what it is under that underground. Like
Speaker 1 00:45:10 It's the, the, the waters that he was the living waters or something like the Living
Speaker 2 00:45:14 Waters middle, it's essentially an underwater lake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, you're there. It's like that, that was the perfect opportunity to, for the myth of myth ofor to show up. But yeah, I think that in the future
Speaker 1 00:45:27 It fits, you know, in aligns with a, a lot of the criticism of season three is that they set up something, they set up this myth assor, and they didn't pay it off in the finale. And like that, that leaves your audience disappointed. And you know, it's so I can understand why people would be frustrated with that if they were, had this expectation, if they just, like, it was lined up for them and it didn't happen. Somebody mentioned Gro Gu, somebody mentioned you, you know, maybe Gro gu forced, you know, using the force to talk to the Miss aso. So I wanna circle back to him because I think there's a lot in this finale that like happened with him. And it also, um, goes to Alex's question, which we'll talk about later. Um, so were you guys disappointed he didn't say a word? Were you expecting that
Speaker 2 00:46:13 He did say a word? I, I'm, I'm convinced that he said this is the way, and, and that one seemed, um, oh, earlier. Oh yeah, he told me this before. Yeah, I remember. I'm totally convinced that he, he, he, if you go back and listen to it, you can, I can literally like, you know, you can exact you can hear exactly what he's saying. I, I don't almost honestly feel like they intended that to be his first words and the audience. Nobody just picked up on it and it just never acknowledged it. Like, I, I almost feel like, 'cause there was a pause when, when he said it, there was a pause, Kuan and D both back at him. Like, did you just say something? And then none of the audience ever really picked up on that. Nobody said anything like after the episode. So I almost feel like that was like, they intended that to be his first words and just nobody picked up on it. But, um, uh, I think it undoes a little bit of bu if he starts talking, um, this is Disney after all, and you have to keep some cute factor in there. Um, I think the, the noises, uh, you know, the little like, oo and <laugh>, the noises, I, I, I, I can't see them. Uh, maybe he'll say like words, like just one word, but I can't see him talking like Yoda, you know?
Speaker 1 00:47:20 Well, Alex asked us a question and he wanted to know if we thought, you know, we'd have an older dgu when we, um, when we get to Star Wars, air to the Empire, and, you know, maybe that Gro Gu could talk. What do you, what are your thoughts on Star Wars air to the Empire and older than Gro Gu? Like all of that?
Speaker 2 00:47:41 I don't think, I don't really think, so. Rogo was 50 around something like that. 50, uh, Yoda lived to 900, I think it was something like that. 900. So, I mean, it's like, almost like you're doing it in dog years, but like the opposite, right? Like, um, you know, I'm trying to think. They're in, I'm trying to play out the timeline in my head because they're in like nine. Uh, yeah. Anyways, I don't think there's enough time for him to really like age a dramatic amount. I mean, I think there's maybe like maybe 15, 20 years in between Mando and, and the sequel trilogy, maybe less so. It's a matter of like, would grow group dramatically age like that? I don't think so. I think he's gonna probably be a child for a while. I mean, maybe in the Ray movie. Well, we got like a little bit of an older gro gu, but, um, I just can't see them. I mean maybe like, maybe they'll do another trilogy someday about Gro Gu where he is older and he is an adult. Um, but yeah, at the moment right now, I, I don't see him getting much older,
Speaker 1 00:48:45 So we're not gonna see a teenage gro gu like a teenage group in Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker 2 00:48:51 Maybe, maybe someday. I, I I would, that would be cool. I just think that everybody loves Baby Yoda, like mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's just, you know, that's really what at the end of the day, that's what drew people to the show in the beginning. I, I love Mandalorians, I love the Mandalorian plot and Clone Wars. I was like, bring on more Mandalorians. But without Baby Yoda, this show does not become what it is.
Speaker 1 00:49:13 What do you think? Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3 00:49:16 I'm like, we're Herzog in, in one of the first episodes. I would like to see baby, like to see the baby
Speaker 2 00:49:20 Baby <laugh> baby.
Speaker 3 00:49:21 Yeah. I want to see the baby. I'm here for the baby. So, uh, am I hoping for him to be older? No, I like him the way he is. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:49:32 Forever
Speaker 1 00:49:33 Young.
Speaker 3 00:49:33 There's your answer, Alex. Sorry buddy, but no.
Speaker 1 00:49:36 Um, so you know Roku, he's not just Roku, he's in Roku. Um, he's adopted by, um, he's adopted by Mando. You know, we get all that name stuff, which I know has been controversial on the internet. <laugh>, you know, is he, is he d Gro? Is he gin Roku? Like what, what's the deal?
Speaker 2 00:49:58 I have thoughts.
Speaker 1 00:49:59 Alright. Share them.
Speaker 2 00:50:00 Well, like, you have to explain it 'cause it's like, why is he dgu, you know, you have all these other mandalorians who take on their last, their family name. It's like, what was din his family name? Like, is is it Jar D Like, is he, is it like, you know, like is his first name, his last name? Uh, it just was a little confusing, you know, like when I heard that I was like, you know, maybe they just thought didn't gro rolls off the tongue better, you know, than Gro Jar. And, you know, uh, I don't know. I, I hope it gets, I hope they elaborate on that. I hope somebody explains why <laugh>. I mean, I, I, I, you know, I'm all into Mandalorian culture and I really was not expecting that. But yeah,
Speaker 3 00:50:42 I'll say this as Latino naming conventions just don't matter anymore. <laugh>, you get what you get, you roll with it. That's your name. That's it.
Speaker 1 00:50:50 <laugh>. Um, all right. So do you guys, there's a line I think where they talk about, um, that he's gonna have to go on quests, right? Like, because he's an apprentice. Like, do you have any thoughts on who Mando was apprenticed to? Or is this like settled in your mind?
Speaker 2 00:51:09 Um, I don't really think it's anybody important, honestly. I mean, they, they, it would be cool to get like a pretty cool, like, you know, like the first episode of Bad Batch, you see, uh, Canaan Jarris with his like, um, master and unfortunately you see her die in order 66 and you kind of, that kind of helps to flesh out the understanding of Canaan and the trauma and stuff like that. And why he doesn't trust clones and rebels. And, um, you know, you see a little bit about why, uh, din hates, uh, droids because of, you know, his family dying from Georges. I think there's always an opportunity to do flashbacks in season four to, you know, Mando with his, um, master, I guess if you wanna call on that, um, and kind of mirror what's going on, it helps to provide context into the way that didn't act. Um, I think it would be cool, but I, is it somebody important? I, I don't know. I don't think so because he grew up with the children of the watch and necessarily a member of House <inaudible>, that was one of his, it could just be somebody at random. I mean, they're kind of starting to introduce random Mandalorians with names that were not really familiar with. So is it gonna be somebody that we know? Probably not. Um,
Speaker 1 00:52:23 So you don't, you don't think it's the Armor then?
Speaker 3 00:52:27 No.
Speaker 2 00:52:28 No. I think they're probably around the same age. Um, yeah, it's gotta be an elder, I mean mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of, there's definitely a lot to do there, there, you know, death Watch is not just pre-vis a and and, and it's not just one person there, there's a lot of members of Death watch to flesh out. Um, flesh out some of that story would be pretty cool. Um, I make a lot of Clone Wars references, so I do apologize about that. But there's just a lot, a lot of story there that, uh, a lot of opportunity to build on.
Speaker 1 00:53:02 Do you guys have any final thoughts and you know, about, about season three of the Mandalorian? Is there anything that you wish that, you know, that you want people to know or that you wish, um, kind of wish for the future of the series that you wanna share or the characters? So,
Speaker 3 00:53:19 One thing I did not expect, and it's still a little bit of a shock as a Houstonian, that one of our owns would show up in fricking Star Wars, man Lizzo is in Star Wars <laugh>. And then, not just that, but she was in a relationship with Jack Black. Yep.
Speaker 2 00:53:36 Like, and then they, they, this
Speaker 3 00:53:38 Is a full saying that's real. Like,
Speaker 1 00:53:42 And they babysat
Speaker 3 00:53:43 Rogo and they babysat Gro. And not just that, but Baby Gro who got knighted 'cause he helped Lizzo cheat to win her little ball game. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:53:52 Fever Dream. You know, like
Speaker 3 00:53:54 It's a, it was a fever dream. And oh, by the way, doc Brown is here and he's the bad guy. Mm-hmm. I remember people were theorizing that he was gonna be this elder Mandalorian that was me. I know, but you weren't the only one thinking like stuff like that. And it's like, no, he's just this dude who's still loyal to the empire. Like what
Speaker 1 00:54:14 There was, he
Speaker 2 00:54:15 Was loyal to the separatists. He was loyal to Duku. Oh
Speaker 3 00:54:18 Yeah, sorry. He was
Speaker 2 00:54:19 Loyal to the, to the droids. That's why they had all those droids on, um, on that dome planet. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, which looked strikingly like mandal. And I was like, 'cause I remember people were like, not to get off topic for a second, but they were, that shot was in the trailer when they first arrived to that like city and they see a dome city and everybody was like, oh my God, it's a Mandal flashback. We're gonna see Mandal. And it was like, uh, that wasn't, you know, <laugh>, it's like, uh, such a tease, you know, like, um, but yeah, like that was just such a fun episode. Like was I irked that? It was like at the end of the season a little bit, but it just is ccra. Yeah. I mean that, that was just nuts episode.
Speaker 1 00:54:56 There was a, um, a meme and I think Christopher Lloyd even like retweeted it that basically had like a shot of the Mandalorian like press image or something like that. And then a picture of him in front of, you know, the DeLorean from Back to the Future. And it was like the Mandalorian and then the man in the DeLorean. Yeah. And I love that.
Speaker 2 00:55:15 That's, I love that. Meaning
Speaker 3 00:55:16 <laugh>. When, when his episode was coming up, I was like, you know what? They should call him. They should call him Orian Dell. It sounds like a Star Wars name. And it's DeLorean flipped.
Speaker 1 00:55:25 Oh.
Speaker 3 00:55:26 It's just a silly thought I had when I was like up and like having my coffee and I'm like, Orian would've been Dell. Right? I know. It just crazy things I come up with in the morning. Um, but another thing I really, really liked about this season and it's left field is how Mando warmed up to droid's. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. He was like very like, eh,
Speaker 1 00:55:49 He needs his friend. Right?
Speaker 3 00:55:51 If I have to, if I have to, I'll work with this R five. 'cause that's the only way I can go back to Manalo. Like, he was willing to compromise one thing he was really strongly against because knowing the mission that he wanted to accomplish was way more prioritized. And then guess what it did? It opened up his relationship with R five. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then he started doing the whole thing for IG 11, you know, getting him all the parts rolling so that he could fix 'em up. And then at the very end, he, instead of asking for like an advanced payment in, in a, a form of a new ship or something, he asked for a new IG 11 fixes it, and then makes it the Marshall. So he takes care of two problems right there.
Speaker 1 00:56:31 Can we, can we go back real quick to the IG 11? And this was not in the end of the season, but this is towards the beginning, but those little guys, and I'm forgetting their names and Zs and Zs, yeah. Yeah. That was so freaking cool. And I just, the shot that Yeah, like the Gulliver's travel shot, right? Yes. Where Mando was in the, the workshop was just like, I loved that.
Speaker 2 00:56:52 Yeah. That, that was awesome. I I love the way they talk too. It's just, it's like Fraggle Rock, you know, like Yeah. You has
Speaker 3 00:56:58 <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:56:59 It reminded me of the dudes from, uh, men in Black, I guess Men in Black, yes. Yep. Where they're in the co like the coffee room. Like it just gave me those vibes. There's
Speaker 2 00:57:09 Something so Star Wars about them, right? Like it's just mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It's just perfect.
Speaker 1 00:57:13 Um, and I think we're just about at time. So, you know, thank you everyone for listening. It's been a great episode. Um, you can find all of our writing, all of our
[email protected], um, including our continuing coverage of Mando and any other Star Wars stuff. Um, so where can folks find you guys? Uh, Anthony and Drew?
Speaker 2 00:57:35 You can find me on Twitter. My handle is Drew Reed 1 0 9. Um, I'm constantly tweeting my thoughts on everything, so always feel free to chime in if you want.
Speaker 3 00:57:48 This is Anthony and I had a great little chat with my friends here. You can find me on Twitter at rido, R E D O V a.
Speaker 1 00:57:57 And I'm Myla Ruby and you can find me on Twitter at T U L I n rights. Um, it's been wonderful guys. I will see you and talk with you next time. Bye.
