[00:00:00] Speaker A: Samicircle, the official podcast for thecosmicsrcus.com I'm Isla Ruby. And this is episode 41 of our little podcast. I'm so excited to talk with you guys. Today we're venturing into the stylish and high octane world of the John Wick cinematic universe. Can it call that at this point? I think maybe there's some movies and upcoming shows. I'm joined by two of my very favorite people as special guests, John and Vic, and I just learned that they've never met each other outside of discord. So this is their very first podcast together.
[00:00:50] Speaker B: Yes. Very first.
[00:00:53] Speaker C: Yeah. So excited. Hello, everyone.
[00:00:57] Speaker A: So who are you guys? Where can they find you?
[00:01:01] Speaker B: I am John Dodson, and you can find all my reviews well, part of my reviews at the Cosmic Circus.
[00:01:14] Speaker C: And I'm Vic. You can find me on Twitter at eritrexalke and at Blue Sky.
At Eritrex.
[00:01:22] Speaker A: Are we all on Blue Sky now? I know the codes have been going out. I don't know what the alternative is yet.
[00:01:28] Speaker B: I am also on Blue Sky, but I don't know my handle.
[00:01:35] Speaker A: I feel the same way. All right, I didn't mention it yet, but there are going to be spoilers on this podcast, as is the case with all of our cosmic discussions. So prepare your underworld coin. Listening to this podcast means that you are accepting the blood oath that there will be spoilers.
Okay, so I think that the John Wick saga and I'm just jumping straight into this, can be summed up kind of as a warning, and I kind of bingoed you guys earlier about this, and I really can't wait to hear what you guys think the whole saga can be summed up as. So I think it can be summed up know, don't get between a man and his dog. I think that is John Wick. So what do you.
[00:02:26] Speaker B: Really I'm not a good impersonator, but I'm going to try to do a Keanu impersonation.
Yeah.
[00:02:43] Speaker A: I love it.
[00:02:45] Speaker B: One very long yeah.
He's the only person who could say yeah in that manner.
Yeah.
[00:03:02] Speaker C: He has to say yeah every time, every single project.
[00:03:06] Speaker A: Does somebody have a running count of how many times that's done? There has to be someone, like, a counter out there.
[00:03:13] Speaker C: I'd say about a hundred, at least.
[00:03:17] Speaker A: Vic, how about you?
[00:03:20] Speaker C: Well, all I have to say is don't mess with Keanu. Every single project. Don't mess with Keanu either. It's matrix. John Wi constantine speed. Don't mess with there. Don't mess with Keanu.
You don't know what you're up for.
[00:03:42] Speaker A: He's like the iconic action hero at this point. I was in thinking about this podcast. I was trying to figure out, okay, well, which this is John Wick four, but The Matrix has occupied a huge part of culture. Right.
I know we're jumping a little bit in our little podcast prep thing, but do you guys think that, like, which has been a bigger impact for it? Is he John wick or is know Neo.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: Do you want to take the leadership? Think? Which one?
[00:04:20] Speaker C: Go ahead. I have to think about.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: So before we did this podcast, I've been watching all four movies all week long.
I have also seen the Matrix trilogy back when it came out. I'm also an Apologist for matrix four.
[00:04:49] Speaker A: This is another podcast right here. I feel like we need to get into this.
[00:04:53] Speaker B: I thoroughly enjoyed Matrix Four.
I know people have their nitpicks about it because it's not what they thought it would be. But I'm a defender. That being said, I think personally, after watching all four films over again that John Wick might be the best action franchise. Like right now in modern cinema.
It's consistent when you're watching it, it flows all the way through.
It's got a beginning, middle and an end and never stops being great.
When I got the number four last night, I was just in awe. The way it builds and it builds and it builds from John Mcwan to number four.
Like the way you breaking bad.
Have any of our watched Breaking Bad?
[00:06:20] Speaker A: I have.
It's peak television. It changed everything.
[00:06:27] Speaker B: It's very comparable where each sequel just capitalizes on itself to a point that it just goes like bombastic.
Yeah, I think John Wick is better, more consistent, more cohesive.
And I think the older it gets, it's going to age like a fine wine at the Continental.
That's my thoughts anyway. Vic, what do you think?
[00:07:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I have to say that about the Matrix. I also like Matrix four.
I am very fond of Matrix because it came out a month before I was born.
So I have the law of Matrix, even if I don't want to.
But I love it. And when it comes to John Wick in Poland we have this funny description for movies like John Wick One, for example. Because when I watched John Wick One for the first time, I felt like it was action movie. Like a really good action movie, but not that good. And we have those kind of movies in Poland. We call those kind of movies in Poland when they show them on Monday, each Monday at 08:00 p.m. There are movies with Steven Seagal, with Jason Statum.
Those are those kind of action movies that they shown. And I felt like John Wick was this kind of movie just to give people some action. It doesn't matter if it's good or not. But in this case it felt good. And when I finished watching it, I felt like it has a really good potential. Like a really big potential to be a better movie with each new part. And I have to say, when the part two came out, it was okay for me. It was the same level as the first one. I don't like the third one as much as I like the previous ones. It was kind of something different for me. I didn't expect something like this, but my favorite one is part four because it's like, wow. It's like, really good action movie. I don't think there's a thing that I didn't like there.
Everything works. If you think about changing something, it won't work, but it works that way. And especially the cast. Oh, my God, the cast action. Oh, I love it. I love that they know not that popular actors to play major roles in this movie. Like Kalenzi Brown, for example.
I love it. So I like the whole franchise. I love Jan wick four the most. The second one is number one and number two and number three. But I have to say, I have to agree with John that right now it's the best action movie franchise or whatever you want to call it.
Yeah, it's really good.
[00:10:00] Speaker A: I wish we.
[00:10:04] Speaker B: May follow up on that. I concur with number three.
Number when number three starts. Got an amazing knock, like, amazing knock five.
But somewhere, like, in the second act, I fall asleep.
[00:10:27] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:10:28] Speaker B: For some reason.
Yeah, it's a good movie. It's still good. I think it's like, how do you say it's the least of the favorite cousins.
[00:10:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? It's still a great movie, but it's not as great as the other four.
The other three.
So I echo your sentiment on that. Although I do love number two, I think number two has a really good silencer fight.
They're walking through a subway, and it's just two guys from a distance, like, shooting silencers at each other in a crowded area.
It's completely absurd. It makes no sense, and I don't care at all. It's so good. Anyway. Gone.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: All of this requires suspending your disbelief. Right? If you think too much about why are there so many assassins everywhere in the world? If you think too deeply about it and don't get into the nitty gritty and don't just enjoy the ride, I feel like you kind of lose some of it.
[00:11:59] Speaker B: Well, even in number four, there's this huge fight with axes yes.
In a rave, and everybody's just, like, dancing. Like nothing's happening.
Whatever.
People are being murdered. It's a Tuesday.
[00:12:22] Speaker A: I think one of the cool things about John Wick, and I think why it is the better and like you guys have said, the best action franchise out there right now is because it is so consistent. Even in that number three, you're still kind of promised these intense stunts, these really well choreographed and put together action scenes, and I think it delivers that in every entry. And I think that's why people maybe keep going to see them again.
It's brutal, it's fun, but you can just be amazed at all this stuff going on. I think as far as it's a hard thing, though, I think The Matrix has more maybe more cultural legs. I want to say just has popped out into the mainstream of the world. That. I think the John Wick franchise is just so much better storytelling just throughout all of them.
And I really want to talk to you guys about The Matrix Four. I really want to have a podcast about that. So we'll figure out how we can do it.
[00:13:34] Speaker C: We can say that there's only matrix one and matrix four nothing.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: If our wonderful, amazing boss Lizzie hears this and she will give us permission.
Give us permission.
[00:13:49] Speaker C: Yeah. I propose that we talk about every single Keanu Reeves project there is.
[00:13:54] Speaker A: Vic, you say that, but it's funny because you mentioned Constantine and you mentioned Speed, and I'm thinking in my head, well, Keanu has he has done a lot of stuff, and not just John Wick, not just The Matrix, but, like, Constantine, Speed, The Lake House, which is my I personally enjoyed that movie a lot.
Right? He's Ted Logan.
[00:14:19] Speaker C: And most recently, Cyberpunk.
[00:14:24] Speaker B: Yes, cyberpunk is good. Yeah, that's a great game.
Very buggy game, but a great game.
[00:14:33] Speaker C: I don't want to say anything bad about Cyberpunk because I know people who work on it.
[00:14:38] Speaker A: We love you, Cyberpunk. We appreciate you.
[00:14:43] Speaker B: We love you. Watch them all. Cyberpunk, we love you.
[00:14:47] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:14:49] Speaker C: I live 25 minutes from the main office.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: And say it to them.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: Well, I would be very happy if they were listening, because that's wonderful.
Okay, so we got into some specifics, but I want to get into even some personal things for you guys. How did you get into the John Wick franchise at this point?
It's nine years old that it's been in development since, what, 2011?
Were you late to the franchise? What is the first movie you saw? When did you know? Oh, my gosh, I need to see all of the things.
What was it?
[00:15:30] Speaker B: This was, like, back in 2013, like, when they first started doing the advertising.
I think people forget there was a time, like, a very small window of time where Keanu Reeves was kind of not a thing anymore. Yes, he did Matrix Three, and then he kind of had, like, a series of misfires.
[00:16:02] Speaker A: 47 Ronan, the tai chi movie. There were a couple of things.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: I kind of like the tai chi movie. I kind of like that one.
Nobody watched it.
Yeah, I kind of enjoyed it. It's corny, but I kind of enjoyed it.
Then out of nowhere, a preview drops, and it shows Keanu Reeves getting a dog.
That dog dies in the trailer. It's in the preview, the dog dies.
[00:16:45] Speaker A: You know what to expect. Unlike House of Cards, where your heart.
[00:16:49] Speaker B: Breaks and automatically you're like, yes, I got to go to the movie and see everybody get killed. I need this. I need this in my life.
I'm going next week.
It was the perfect movie trailer for Thriller.
Any death in the movie is automatically just a bite because they killed the puppy. So, yeah, that's how I got into it.
The rest is history.
Anyway. Vic, I'll give you the floor. I'm sorry.
[00:17:37] Speaker C: Yeah, no problem.
The first time I saw John Wick was in high school when I was sick. And I think it was 2015 or 16.
[00:17:47] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:17:48] Speaker C: I don't remember exactly, but I was in my bed with my laptop and I had huge fever and I thought, It's time to watch something because I don't want to do anything. And I found John Wick, and I was like, let's give it a chance. Keanu's there. And wow, it was so funny. I mean, there were all those minor actors. I don't want to disrespect anyone, but okay, less popular actors.
[00:18:17] Speaker A: It's better his careers know.
[00:18:22] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: Were reinvigorated, I guess.
[00:18:24] Speaker C: Yeah. There was Keanu, there was Tion Greyjoy, there was Ian McShane. There was this guy from Billions.
There was little show.
Yeah. And he was in Daredevil also. He played yeah. And I was like, okay, I know these guys, but they're not popular budget of this movie. It's not as big as I expected. And I thought, okay, let's watch it. It was so funny. I really enjoyed it. And I realized there's a second part coming soon on the VOD, on the streaming. So I waited for about a week, I think. And then the first day it dropped, I watched it and that's how it started.
What's sad is that I didn't have any opportunity to watch it in theaters. All four parts, unfortunately, because I would really enjoy watching part four on the big screen. The scenes in Japan, especially. So yeah. Watching Kiriki sanada on the big screen is my guilty pleasure.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: Was the fourth one not in theaters?
[00:19:41] Speaker C: It was, but I had exams I had to learn.
And when I passed them, surprise, surprise, jenny wasn't anymore in the cinemas because there was a very short there's.
[00:19:56] Speaker A: A short? Yeah. I know that the release windows for some of the things overseas, I guess, are very like I think that was a problem with Blue Beetle. Didn't you tell us that? Or am I thinking of somebody else? Two weeks. Right. So if you didn't see it yeah.
[00:20:10] Speaker C: They already I think it was in Poland. It was only three weeks in.
Yeah, it's sad.
What can you do?
[00:20:22] Speaker A: That's a hard but and I feel like I have to mention this, Vic, I'm sorry. You did see The Flash a couple hundred times in theater, so you made up for it.
[00:20:34] Speaker C: And at home.
[00:20:36] Speaker A: And at home. Oh, no. I didn't even ask.
Why do you guys think that people like this series so much? We talk about superhero fatigue, especially because our site covers Marvel movies. We covered DC. Now I imagine we're going to cover even more DC with the whole expanding world of the new DC studios with James Gunn is there John Wick fatigue? Do you think that's a thing?
[00:21:05] Speaker B: No, not even a little bit.
I don't want another one to come out. I know they're talking about making a five.
I don't want them to do it.
I watched a little bit of the behind the scenes this week, and they said they approached it like a graphic novel.
Very comic.
I think the combination of it being action film and kind of fantasy, there's a very fantasy element to it that makes it appeal to more than just the standard bro movie.
[00:21:55] Speaker A: It's slicker in some ways.
[00:21:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
Everybody loves Keanu, despite his character being a little bit, like, of just dark.
There's something incredibly infectious about Keanu. Kind of like Robert Downey. Jr.
So often that's just a lot, I think.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: I think it's really interesting that you mentioned Keanu's personal appeal because he does have like there is this magnetism, there is this charm, and it's joked about on the Internet. But there are thousands of stories of him just being a good person and not this overinflated ego dude. And I think that contributes to it. Right? You want to see the movie succeed. You want to see him personally succeed.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: And an amazing dude. They were talking about some of the stunts that he does.
He does 95% of the stunts in the film unless it's like a fall. He doesn't do the walls and stuff like that.
But they talk about how he leaves with the other stuff. He goes out there, works just as hard as everybody else.
I just think people feel that it comes across in the movie when you put love into your work.
It kind of shows.
Like I said, it's not just your typical it's not your typical Schwarzenegger Stallone like, testosterone kind of film where it's like only your dad can, like, know.
[00:24:09] Speaker A: There'S an emotional core, I think, that motivates him. Right. Because he's retired when we first meet know in this first movie. Right. And like you said in the know, poor Daisy, the know gets it. But there's this backstory with his there's this really big emotional core with his Know that that kind of is like the foundation for everything moving forward. And it's paid off even in the very end, which I'd love to talk know at chapter four. Vic, why do you know John Wick has had this enduring appeal?
[00:24:45] Speaker C: Well, I think the first thing that brings people to the cinemas is Keanu of this dude went through some really bad shit in his life, and people know about it. And when they see him, well, they see a person who's broken but doesn't show it. And I think that's kind of inspiring to the well, I think that not talking about Keanu anymore. But one last thing I want to mention about him is that when you watch John Wick, it feels like it's movie about Keanu. Like you feel exactly what happened in his life that happens in the movie. So that's happening in this.
So that's kind of both scary and interesting to me. But the next thing is the realism in this movie because they try to make those movies as realistic as they can. Like when they do the fights, they hire people who know this stuff, who know how this works. What's the most efficient way to reload the magazine in the weapon in this situation?
There's a scene, I don't remember if it's in the first or the second when they're shooting each other in the water, they have to get really close for the gun to work. And it's really funny, but it's so realistic that people who go to watch this movie in theater, they feel it. And there's no fake CGI, fake visual effects to make it more I don't know how to say it more edgy.
I don't know, more feel like an action movie with Schwarzenegger or with Stallone, but feels like it's down to our realistic.
So I think that's what really helps those movies. And I don't think there's anything else, of course, the cast, but I think that Keanu and the realism are the two most important things in those movies. And of course, Puppies.
[00:27:03] Speaker A: We alluded to this a little bit about this fourth movie.
What did you guys think specifically?
What was your favorite thing about this fourth movie? Or what was something that maybe didn't quite hit for you?
[00:27:24] Speaker B: Vic? I've already seen it a thousand times, so I'm going to let you take the floor on this one first.
[00:27:29] Speaker C: Man, I saw it only one time.
[00:27:33] Speaker B: Which is oh, okay.
[00:27:35] Speaker C: Yeah. But I really like diversity in this movie because they show all those different continentals or different hotels, if you like, and each one of them has its own I don't know, you can really feel this cultural team that it represents. And I really liked it. I really loved Donnie and character and.
[00:28:04] Speaker A: That'S Kane writer, I think.
[00:28:07] Speaker C: Kane, yeah, kane, yeah. And showing that he found his way out, but it had its price and kind of really mysterious character because we don't know about him that much as it was shown in the movie. Because there's a whole I don't know if it was 20 or 30 years of his past as an assassin. And I think that's a really big potential for another spin off.
But, yeah, there's also a ballerina coming up, 2024, right.
[00:28:47] Speaker A: If it doesn't get moved. And I want to talk about spin offs later because there's some stuff coming up.
[00:28:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Living that John Wick four works because it's a movie that it was supposed to close everything to finish the John Wick story. But I'm not a really big fan of making the John Wick Five because the four part had a perfect ending and I don't know what they want to do next because resurrecting John Wick spoiler is not a perfect way to do it. I had another ending in mind where he doesn't die and he finally lives with his puppy with a car and doors are closed. And there's no way back for him.
But Chad Stahowski had something else in.
[00:29:37] Speaker A: So I want to get to what you think, too, but I want to jump on what Vic is saying real quick, because originally there was a different ending. I think that there was an ending that Chad Stolski, the director, told Empire magazine that there was like another ending where John was at, again, spoilers in the end of the movie instead of just the gravestones.
And that seems very non cliffhangery and very different than what ended up in theaters.
[00:30:09] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely. I think keeping John Wick alive was, for me, at least, the better way to finish his story, to show that his know, there are movies where you have a main character who fights and all that, and in the end, he has to die. There's no other way out for him. And I really didn't want this for John. He was a really good character that didn't deserve all of this, and he stayed out of this business and it wasn't his fault that he got brought back. It was Tion greater actor's character in the first movie who decided to fight John Wick, the Baba Yaga. And if it wasn't for him, John Wick would stay retired. He would still be retired.
I don't know if you'll agree with me, but Jenwick is a really tragic character.
[00:31:13] Speaker A: Don, what do you think? What was the best thing or moments that really were great for you? Or what was something that you didn't necessarily love or jumping on to? Anything Vic said.
[00:31:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, first, Vic, I want to say I'm sorry. I thought you did see it a lot.
[00:31:32] Speaker A: It was a flash that he saw like 100 times.
[00:31:35] Speaker B: My apologies on that one, guys.
I think I talked about it. We talked about it on the podcast before I went to a press screening for it back in February, March, something like that. And I did not read up on anything about what I was getting into.
I was indifferent.
Number three, kind of like Vic was saying, like, I enjoyed it. I thought it was good, but I was just I thought I was there for 2 hours. I thought I was there for 2 hours. Movie starts at seven. We turn our phones on. Ten, five.
What in the John Wickel just happened?
There are scenes in this movie that are so meticulous, so long, so detailed in their choreography.
The first action scene is like 20 to 25 minutes long.
And it goes from Keanu fighting just like normal guys on a suit, to him fighting these watching guys, to him fighting Kane.
The amount of work that had to go into that, just for transparency, I made a kung fu movie before, oh, like a long time ago. It's terrible. It's terrible.
[00:33:42] Speaker A: I want to see it.
[00:33:46] Speaker B: Yeah, but the amount of work that goes into that, into staging a scene, it's hard. It's very difficult, guys. Oh, my gosh. The cinematography. We please talk about the cinematography, like the way every shot looks, the lights. Oh, my gosh.
[00:34:19] Speaker A: This was Jonathan, right? He was a cinematographer on it.
[00:34:25] Speaker B: Whoever he is, he's amazing. Just amazing.
[00:34:29] Speaker A: Oh, no, he was the first one. I'm sorry, guys.
[00:34:36] Speaker B: When he's fighting in Kane and all those people in that room, there's, like, lights that are pulsating in the background.
So beautiful.
It's such a beautiful action movie. I was thinking last night when I was, like, finishing it, what my film critic circle would say if I nominated John Wick four in the top five of the best films of the year. Oh, because it's such a gorgeous movie and so gorgeously shot.
The acting hit or miss, but I think it still remains pop out of the year.
Beautiful film. Beautiful acting film.
I could go on forever. I'm going to stop.
[00:35:38] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely. It was a really beautiful movie. I mean, the scenes, as I mentioned in Japan, I really love the Asian culture, and what they shown was really beautiful. Like, you have those perfect balance of colors, perfect color grading the saturation.
[00:35:58] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying.
[00:36:00] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:36:01] Speaker A: And the cinematographer, Dan Lausten. Sorry, guys.
[00:36:06] Speaker B: Vic gets he understands.
Yes. Yeah, it's great.
It's going to like into the spiderverse, where you just take a frame and just make it a poster on your wall. Just how beautiful the frame looks.
Everything is just lit.
I could do this forever, guys. I don't know. Again?
[00:36:36] Speaker C: Yeah. I think take a look at the recent Disney Plus Star Wars series asoka Episode Five showed us one of I think it showed us one of the most beautiful scenes in Star Wars history. And I would say that even the pop cultural, scenery area, whatever you want to call it. And I personally think that because I watched a lot of movies, but I'm not a professor or anything, but I think that I'm just fun. I'm just a normal fan, just like you. But I think that camera work, the scenery, the music, those things that people don't think about are one of the most important things beyond the cast and all that. So when people watch the movie, they think about how those people acted, like, what was the sense of this movie, what was the story? But they very rarely think about how good the music was, how good scenes looked and how good was the choreography.
I think it was like five, six years ago when I decided to watch movies only with the original audio and English subtitles, because spoiler. I was watching those with either with polish dab or the Polish subtitles.
And back then I stopped reading subtitles and I started to focus on the movie itself or the series, and I started to notice those different micro things that were in those projects. And I think that the more you watch a movie, the more you start to appreciate it. Like, for example, if you watched Tron Legacy for 50 times, just like me, then with each rewatch, you notice more and more things and it makes the movie experience better each time.
I think that's what John Wick is like.
If you rewatch it, then you start to notice more and more things that help you with the next rewatches or the next part.
[00:39:05] Speaker A: It's funny because these things that are the movie magic, right, that you both have keyed onto aren't magic. Like you said, John, you know from making your movie that it takes tremendous coordination, planning everything under the sun to execute this just like one sequence in a short film.
I'm in awe of the skill that goes into making these movies look so seamless and pulling it off.
It's incredible. And it's something that I think when it doesn't quite work, people are very quick to comment on it. And we see that a lot with the superhero thing. But when it is just so skillful, like with John Wick chapter four, it doesn't necessarily get the love that it should because you mentioned even that your critics.org might be kind of iffy on nominating on your nomination for that.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: They may not.
I had a thought while rewatching it. I was like, man, this is my first year in the circle and I'm deeply considering walking in there as a professional and going, guys, John Mcboar.
Yeah. Everybody is going to be like talking about something like, I don't know, like the next Noah Bumbach movie.
I'm just going to be like border.
If I may, I want to just follow up on one of Vic's points. He was talking about King and I'm in a wheelchair. And I think it's the coolest thing to see, like, to say one character, part of my brain is kicking so much ass on the screen and doing it with assistive devices.
One of the coolest characters I've seen captured on the main screen. I hope that they do give him a spin off. He deserves spin off. I want that to be John Mcvibe. That's what I want. I don't need any more of this. I want that. To follow up on the ending, a friend of mine joked that the end of it, like the sequel could be like John Wick fighting his way through hell.
[00:42:05] Speaker A: Oh, Dante. Stuff going.
[00:42:10] Speaker B: Yeah, kind of like Constantine like crossover.
Anyway.
[00:42:19] Speaker A: So the ending, I think that would be a perfect spin off, right? And that would be so meaningful and just based on that ending.
So I would be excited to see that. I think that could work.
All right. So I know we're starting to run into time and we still have so much more to talk about.
So you guys have seen all the films. I just want to check in and just see.
So I'm going to go quick between the both of you. I'd like to know your rankings for. Them most favorite to least favorites. And if you want, you can say why, but you don't necessarily have to. It's up to you.
[00:43:02] Speaker B: Miria, which one big? What you got?
[00:43:06] Speaker C: I'm going to say four. One, two.
[00:43:11] Speaker B: I go the same thought. Yeah, same thing. 4123.
[00:43:16] Speaker A: I'm very similar to you guys. I have 4132.
It's just that ending because I liked a lot of three. There's that scene. That the antique shop scene that just kind of blew my mind with the knives. And like, this is the coolest scene I've seen.
[00:43:40] Speaker B: It's a great scene. It's a great scene.
[00:43:42] Speaker C: Yeah, all those scenes are great. I mean, do you remember that scene with Ruby Rose in John Wick Two when they're just fighting and they're just using the sign language to communicate? And I think that's really nice. But I'm going to elaborate what I meant by four. One to free. Because I mean, four and there's some other projects, projects, projects. And one to three. Because when you compare John week four to the other parts, it's the highest quality. And it's like, let's say ten out of ten. And John Wick one to three. They're like five, six out of ten. But they're still good. But not that good because when you look at it, John Wick four is like the ultimate John Wick movie that has the biggest budget, biggest I don't know how to say it.
Well, at least the biggest amount of work went into making it when you compared to the previous part.
So it's that big above the other parts.
[00:44:50] Speaker B: That's why they don't need to make a number five.
How do you top that.
[00:45:00] Speaker C: Gladiator sequel?
[00:45:03] Speaker B: Yeah, you just don't.
[00:45:06] Speaker A: I have so many questions about the Gladiator sequel, and I remember so clearly this is getting off topic. Seeing Gladiator in theaters, I was so excited. I had just finished an AP exam in history, and I was going to one of my first R movies, and it's one of my favorite movies. I don't know where they go from there.
[00:45:25] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, if the final scene of June week was like the ending of Gladiator, I would be very happy.
It would have been cliche, but it would have worked.
[00:45:38] Speaker A: John Wick through the fields of wheat.
[00:45:41] Speaker C: No more his house, seeing his wife and the dog she gave him. And it has been so emotional. But instead we've got the grave scene with Winston saying, goodbye, my son, in Russian, even though he wasn't his son.
It was so weird. But I'm not going to say anything bad about this movie because it was so good.
[00:46:05] Speaker B: Yeah, his son that he shot in number three.
[00:46:11] Speaker C: Pretty girl son that he shot.
[00:46:15] Speaker A: Do you guys think so? There's been a lot of talk with John Wick, and it being original. Do you guys think that there are any crossovers with any other original action franchises that you want to see? I know there was talk about weirdly, like a James Bond crossover. And that's apparently how Halle Berry got in the third one. Like, she was such a fan.
[00:46:40] Speaker B: I hurt my head. I don't know.
[00:46:46] Speaker A: James Bond, I feel like and there's also Atomic Blonde. There are so many other universes that there could be.
[00:46:57] Speaker B: Atomic Blonde could work only because I think it's David Leach that did that.
[00:47:05] Speaker A: Movie and he has the company with Keanu, right? With Chad Stahelski, I think.
[00:47:12] Speaker B: Yeah, correct. And they both did the first one. And it kind of like has the same flavor as John Wick. And it's like man, but when you throw, like spies in there, when you throw spies and Gadgets in just I don't know, man, like James Bond it might just be me.
James Bond hasn't really been my cup of tea lately.
Just add bit has its expiration date just a little bit. They haven't found a way to make that franchise different and new in a since Casino Royale.
[00:48:13] Speaker A: That is where Daniel Craig made his.
[00:48:19] Speaker B: I just I don't know. Leave john Wick. Just leave John Wiggle. Leave him where he's at.
[00:48:26] Speaker A: Are you saying that James Bond couldn't use a Kevlar suit?
[00:48:31] Speaker B: I'm saying either bring Idris Elba on or don't do at all.
[00:48:40] Speaker C: I don't know if you've seen this movie, but it's called Nobody and it's John Wick, but with Bob Odenkirk.
[00:48:47] Speaker B: Oh, yes.
Yeah, that's.
[00:48:55] Speaker A: Was and it was written by the same guy who wrote John Wick too, right? Derek Kolstad.
[00:49:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
And I still think that it's the same universe.
I still believe there's there's too many similar things.
You can call it a parody. You can call it a poor John Wick version. But for me, it's the same universe. And that really works. And it's a movie. Like, what would have happened if John Wick got his happy ending and doubt.
But it's funny also, I read there's an old TV series from 1979 called I think it's warriors, and it's probably said in the same universe as John Wick. But I don't know if it's anything solid.
[00:49:53] Speaker A: I've never heard of that. But I think it's a really great transition to the John Wicks TV series that is happening. So I haven't seen the trailer. I've kind of been checked out with this.
It's coming out soon. It's called the continental.
It's obviously about the Continental, which is big in the John Wick universe. There are these hotels that are safe havens, pretty freaking important. And it stars Mel Gibson.
Are you guys going to watch this? What are your thoughts?
[00:50:34] Speaker B: Um, no.
Yeah, no, I mean, like and it's.
[00:50:43] Speaker A: Previewing in like three days. It comes out, I think, so the 22 September.
[00:50:51] Speaker B: The decision to put him in the movie has been like the one thing that makes me go, why now? I've been told that he plays like, a bad guy. He's not very likable.
[00:51:10] Speaker C: Yeah, he plays the similar character to who Clancy Brown played in John Wick.
[00:51:16] Speaker B: Four, is it the same guy or.
[00:51:19] Speaker C: Is it no, I think it's a different character, but the professional that it's all similar.
[00:51:26] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like this villainous kingpin dude, right?
[00:51:29] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a very bad guy. Which I think is kind of the appeal you don't like?
I it makes me tired to think about yeah. It's like somebody is saying to me, like, hey, I'm going to this concert, but Kanye West is going to be the backup singer.
He's not the main singer, but he's the backup singer.
Well, why does he have to do background vocals? Can he just not be background vocals?
[00:52:12] Speaker A: I think that's fair too, because obviously there have been lots of controversies and horrible things in Mel Gibson's past and it's interesting if there will depress viewership, whereas Keanu's being a good human has made people want to watch the franchise, it'll be interesting to see what happens there. I think we might actually be close to time, even though we could go on for more and more.
[00:52:41] Speaker C: I'm just going to say quickly that I'm going to watch it when sorry, the all episodes will be available not week by week.
And also, the last good role of Malik Gibson was in Father Stew, and before that it was little weapon like the 30 year difference.
I'm not a big fan of Mal Gibson, but when he acts really good, I really don't have a heart to not say it because in Father's Due, his role was really perfect. He almost played himself in a yeah, it's Gibson, so let's not say too many good things about him.
[00:53:32] Speaker B: I will happily read over, I don't know, spark notes about the show and go from there.
[00:53:48] Speaker A: I'm sure someone's going to do an edit without.
[00:53:53] Speaker B: A very fine recap that doesn't have anything involving Mungus.
[00:53:58] Speaker A: Anyway, well, it's been a pleasure talking with you both about John Wick and I hope we get to talk on a podcast again soon. I'm Isla Ruby and this has been episode 41 Somehow Of the Cosmic Circle, the official podcast for thecosmicsrcus.com I know we mentioned it earlier, but where can people find you besides on our amazing little website?
[00:54:23] Speaker C: Bye. I was vague. You can find me at, erita, Salke on Twitter and Eritrex on Bluesky. And remember, wait for every Keanu Reeves movie in the future.
It's Keanu. You just can't go to the theater and don't watch Keanu Reeves movie. You just can't. Just love keanu love, constantine Love. Whatever. Bye bye.
[00:54:50] Speaker B: And I was John Dotson.
You can find me at John Moviewatch on Twitter.
I'm on Blue Sky, but you'll have to find me somehow.
And yeah, bye bye.
[00:55:09] Speaker A: And I'm Isla Ruby. You can find me on Twitter. I don't know, whatever it's called, that thing that used to be the bird app on T-U-L-A-N rights.
And I can't wait to talk to you guys again soon. You can find all of
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