[00:00:17] Speaker A: Welcome back, listeners, to another episode of The Cosmic Circle, the official podcast of the Cosmic Circus. Today we will be discussing all all things Ahsoka. We've made it through eight, know, multiple weeks of waiting until the conclusion, and it's finally here and we cannot wait to talk about it. My name is Brian Kitson, head writer at the Cosmic Circus. And joining me today is Emily Mack and Drew Reed. How are the two of us doing today?
[00:00:44] Speaker B: Good.
[00:00:45] Speaker C: Doing pretty good. What's up, guys? I'm Drew.
[00:00:48] Speaker A: Always a pleasure to have the two of you on here. We had both of you on here for the last one. I knew right off the bat that we had to have the two of you back for this last part because you're our resident Star Wars nerds.
[00:01:00] Speaker C: Who else better to have dedicated?
[00:01:03] Speaker A: I think you pretty much the two of you and Vic, who couldn't be here today, held up the corner of Star Wars theories and articles specifically for Ahsoka. And I think it's going to continue on, but this was kind of like your bread and butter. And it's understandable because I'm sure there's a lot of emotion to go with, you know, for Emily, I'd like to actually start with you because I know that Ahsoka has been like one of your like since I've known you. You did the guide and you have all these thoughts and feelings. Know this had to be a big moment for her to finally get her own series besides The Clone Wars. What was this like for?
[00:01:46] Speaker B: Was it was really emotional because I think I thought more of how it was behind the like after those first two episodes because to think of Dave Filoni, he wrote and directed a majority he wrote the whole series and then he directed a majority of it, too. And it's like how you can even he has this animated character in front of him for years and years and years, and now he's in front of her. She's wielding these lightsabers for real in front of him. That has to be such a surreal feeling. So whenever I was watching it, I just had to think of how Dave Filoni would feel on set. And then I just get so happy because this character has come to life to live action. And she's real and she feels so real. And this series was so emotionally driven. And we saw the conclusion of Anakin training just and she's taking on her padawan and sticking by her padawan and guiding her.
And it was an emotional series.
[00:02:59] Speaker A: I totally understand that.
And it was I did not watch Clone Wars or I watched Rebels as it aired, but I didn't watch Clone Wars until I was an adult.
And there's quite the journey. I can only imagine for someone who kind of grew up watching this step by step as it came out that this was just like a huge moment, especially for behind those scenes.
Drew, correct me if I'm wrong. You actually watched, like, recently to prepare for this series, correct?
[00:03:27] Speaker C: Yeah, so I watched it through COVID pretty much a long time to watch Clone Wars. I watched Clone Wars since the beginning of, like when we were locked down and stuff. And that took me about a good nine months to watch. I kind of watched it on and off.
Yeah, it took me a while. I got really hooked by the end of Clone Wars, and then I watched Rebels probably in the span of two months. So Rebels took me was pretty quick because it just felt easier to watch, I guess sometimes Clone Wars just feels long, some of the arcs, but yeah, so pretty recently, I'd say about three years ago, rebels maybe like two and a half years ago. But I very quickly became super invested learning everything. So I didn't watch Rebels when it was out, but I very quickly became invested, and I know everything like the back of my hand now.
[00:04:21] Speaker A: So then how was that experience for you watching, you know, maybe only watched it in the more recent years since.
[00:04:28] Speaker C: COVID Well, I think I very quickly became invested in the characters. So it feels like even though I only watched a couple of years ago, it feels like I have known these characters for a long time.
That's partly because even though I didn't watch Clone Wars or Rebels, I had seen plenty of moments on Twitter and stuff like that. I had seen people referencing it. I knew who Ahsoka was ever since I was a kid. I definitely watched Clone Wars a little bit when I was a kid on Cartoon Network, but I never watched it seriously and followed the plot. I feel like most kids, when you're like ten, you're not really watching Clone Wars, being dedicated to the writing and the plotline. So I kind of knew who everybody was, and I knew who ASAJ Adventures, all the new collect Clone Wars characters, I knew who they were. But it wasn't until recently that I got really invested, and I very quickly became obsessed or just really invested in the characters and began to learn everything, learn all the planets and the characters and everything. So watching it recently, it doesn't really make much of a difference for me. It feels like I've watched it for.
[00:05:40] Speaker A: Like a you know what's interesting for me about Ahsoka's journey, and we're going to kind of go into her character and her character arcs as well as the other heroes. But when we first meet her, I think that I agree with you, Drew. Parts of Clone War were actually really difficult for me to watch because they felt very bogged down with a lot of the politics at the beginning, specifically, like, season one.
But Ahsoka was like this shining light of like, I kept watching for her because she was funny and she was sarcastic and she didn't always follow the rules. And I think for younger kids or those young adults, watching that and seeing her continue to be rebellious in the middle of such an organization like the Jedi was very exciting and they could relate to that. But now when we go ahead yeah.
[00:06:36] Speaker C: I was going to say I think that's why like is so well received is because she's such a well rounded character.
I would say that not every Star Wars character is super well rounded. I would say that in more recent years there's been a lot more development on characters, especially with Clone Wars and Rebels and stuff, you've gotten to actually develop characters. But for a while the most we ever saw from characters was just movies where we only got to spend like 2 hours with a character. So it was hard to kind of have a character that's super well rounded, super developed and fleshed out through seasons of shows. And the first time we kind of got that with Star Wars was Clone Wars where it was really dedicated to Ahsoka and we really got to flesh out that character, get her light side and her more emotional sides. And we've seen all those kind of stories all kind of come together and it's really kind of morphed her into like a really well rounded character. We've seen her throughout years, you know, from Clone Wars to Rebels to Ahsoka, where she's really had a complete arc and she's not the same character. That was something that was hard for me to kind of grasp in Ahsoka is she's not the same character that she was in Clone Wars, even Rebels. She's had a very developed arc and I think that's why she's so well received and people really like her because they've kind of lived vicariously through her. We've really seen her whole kind of journey in a way. So I think that's why now she's kind of become this really well received character throughout the community.
[00:08:02] Speaker A: I'm really excited that you brought that up because that was going to be the next part I was going to talk about, was that I think that while people grew up with her, ahsoka has grown up too. And like, what we saw in Ahsoka, the series was a much more mature individual who has been through a lot of traumatic things and that maybe for some it was hard to kind of rectify that and to experience that, to see her not be that child or that carefree side.
And some people kind of label that as inconsistent, that she was an inconsistent character. But truly by the time you get to the end of Ahsoka, you see that it is consistency but there's just a lot of things that have kind of dictated. But for you, Emily, what are your thoughts on Ahsoka's journey or the consistency of her character from Clone Wars to Ahsoka?
[00:08:50] Speaker B: The series I've seen where people say it's inconsistent, but it's like she grew up, she's a full adult now. She's like, what, in her 30s or 40s? So obviously she's going to be very different from that 14 year old child who was just forced into war and thought she could take charge and she could do these things, but then she had to slow down and learn. So this was her. As she got older, she slowed down more and she took in everything and she learned like Anakin had taught her to.
So I think in Ahsoka, we really see her taking in her surroundings more. And that was something we got to see her do with her force powers, where she could feel what had happened in a moment instead of just looking at something and being like, this is what happened and now I'm going to go do this. She took in everything and she took everything into account. Like with Sabine, she was like, something changed here when she came back from the world between worlds. And she was more like I don't know how to describe it. I feel like I'm lacking the word here, but not like enlightened grown up. Yeah, enlightened. She became more enlightened, I guess, in a way.
[00:10:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say I took a while to think about the lesson in the world between worlds with Anakin because a lot of people were like, oh, it wasn't really a lesson. He just kind of was like, live or die, which is really simple, but I've kind of found in all the Star Wars movies that the lessons are very simple or they're kind of like, what's the word?
I'm not sure what the word is.
[00:10:30] Speaker B: But it seems simple. But it's got that deep.
[00:10:35] Speaker C: Yeah, it's simple but deep moment.
[00:10:37] Speaker B: And it's a deep thing because he was like, you're either going to turn out like me, but I know you're not, so you're stronger. So what are you going to do here? Because you got to live. And there are so many reasons to live. Where Anakin didn't like, he's teaching her to.
He had a reason to live, but Palpatine had screwed it so much where he was like, it's either this or this. But he showed her that there was so much more to it than just the two choices that he was given.
[00:11:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I kind of interpret it when he says live, he doesn't mean it super. Like, he doesn't just mean live, he means she was kind of just existing for a while, it kind of feels like. And I think his lesson was like, you can be more than that. You can actually live and not just exist. She's meant to live or if she's not going to do that, then she should just die.
That was like the lesson, essentially. And I kind of like that. I think it was like, it's not what the audience was expecting, but it's what she needed in the moment. And I think that's kind of what I was trying to iterate earlier was it's a very unexpected lesson, but it's something that is very relevant to the moment in a way that we don't.
[00:11:55] Speaker A: That one of the parallels that I saw that I thought was really interesting is it reminded me a lot of Luke Skywalker's story in The Last Jedi. Having gone through, you've changed, and what do you do with that change?
How do you be? And I like the way that we received the stories with The Last Jedi first.
We saw it first, and then we had this one, because I think when you watch them chronologically, you get the hopeful story first, and then you get the story of like once you're enlightened, once you realize your point, you kind of move on and you die. Where this one? She did. She started to thrive again. This wasn't just existing. Ahsoka found her purpose again.
And her purpose is now to spoiler alert, everybody. We're going to be talking about spoilers to stop thrawn and save the world once again.
[00:12:53] Speaker C: I'm kind of wondering if that's going to be her.
I think she's almost meant for more than that now, in a way. And we'll kind of get into that. We're going to get into the Mortise kind of thing.
That was a big topic, but I kind of feel like she was meant for more than that. Now it seems like her and Balin are kind of like on like they're heading towards yeah, and that's why they left her in this new galaxy, sort of, but we talk about The Last Jedi, so I really don't like the Last Jedi. I know that's a really big kind of topic, but one of my favorite moments from the sequel trilogy was when Yoda shows up for Luke on the island and his lesson there. I felt like that was very like I don't know, that just worked perfectly. I think it was failure. The greatest teacher is, or something along the lines of that. And I think that was such like an example of the kind of perfect lesson that a Master can give a Padawan or an apprentice. And I kind of feel like that was what kind of gave me that helped me kind of realize what Anakin's lesson was, where it was kind of like an unexpected but relevant lesson in a way. Sort of.
[00:14:10] Speaker B: There was also something Yoda said in that scene that's relevant. So I'm happy that you brought that up, because he told Luke something like, they grow beyond us, basically. So in that moment, like two in the world between worlds, it was mean. It was Ahsoka growing beyond what Anakin was and living in that moment.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: That makes absolute, you know, while we'll break down into mean, I guess let's just touch on it now. I don't know how you guys felt, but that episode where she goes into the world between worlds. And she has that talk with Anakin is probably one of the strongest hours of Star Wars for me because there was just so much impact and growth in getting to see this character, this Anakin Skywalker that we've seen become Darth Vader and die and his legacy of the people that he's touched and the world that he's ruined.
You got to see that there was light beyond everything that he did on this world. And I thought it was brilliant.
[00:15:13] Speaker C: Yeah. So it's almost like Dave Filoni knew that he only had an hour to accomplish that with Anakin, whereas a lesson like that would usually take an entire season of Clone Wars. So it felt like he understood that he had such a short time where he really had to get to the point. And I'd like that. And I thought that really kind of served the episode well, that there wasn't any kind of filler in, that everything was kind he. It was lesson and flashbacks. And it got to the point, and I think the lightsaber battles, obviously was just, like, kind of fan service, but I don't even care. I just like to see Hayden Christensen with a lightsaber. But, yeah, I think what you said, I think four, Five and six were the strongest episodes. They just were super cohesive.
[00:16:00] Speaker B: And.
[00:16:03] Speaker C: How can you not love when you see Hayden Christensen with a lightsaber in his Jedi robes?
[00:16:08] Speaker B: It's the best.
[00:16:09] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.
Was that one of your favorite episodes, Emily, or do you feel like that was not up there out of the.
[00:16:20] Speaker B: Oh, I love the World between Worlds episode because I thought the concept was so interesting when it was introduced in Rebels. And the Mortise Gods is, like, one of my favorite arcs in Clone Wars. So to have both of those things kind of show up and go hand in hand again and to explore it more and see what the world between worlds can really be used for is incredible. It's such great storytelling.
[00:16:51] Speaker A: Absolutely. I totally agree. So continuing with the heroes, I know we got slightly off.
So to continue with the heroes, while the series was titled Are There's Someone else that is just as important to the storyline?
And that's Sabine. I mean, this series was really Rebels Part Two, which, if anyone had any concern that it wasn't going to be, I hope that now that's squashed, because this is really the story of Ahsoka and Sabine and their relationship while they're trying to find someone who's just as important to the team that has been left. But we also have hera who's important, more of a side character. But how do we feel about the heroes that were in this series?
And who do we think that maybe should have been here or should not have been here? But, Drew, what are your thoughts on the heroes from Ahsoka?
[00:17:44] Speaker C: I think they didn't have enough budget to do Zeb, which sucks.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: But they didn't they did not have.
[00:17:49] Speaker C: Enough budget to do Zeb.
[00:17:51] Speaker B: Unfortunately, they did us that favor by throwing him in the mandalorian, the last mandalorian, for about 5 seconds. And that's all they had.
[00:17:58] Speaker C: Kind of had a feeling. I was know, I don't think he's going to show up because he was no, and especially when he didn't show up with Teva, like when they were going to CTOs to help, it was like Hera had like Carson Teva's squad to go to CTOs to help Ahsoka and he wasn't there. I was like, yeah, he's not in the like he's not showing up at.
[00:18:20] Speaker A: Which feels like a travesty.
[00:18:22] Speaker B: I know.
[00:18:23] Speaker C: It definitely mean. I just love Steve Bloom's voice. That's just so iconic. But anyways, I think it really is rebel season five, because if you think about it, if you're going to do rebel season five, this was the plot. The show ended on Ahsoka and Sabine together, hera with Know and Zeb kind of doing his own thing with um, so this really is it's. It's titled Ahsoka, which makes sense because I think that attracts more people than it does, like rebels than just saying rebels season five. But the plot really is rebels season.
Yeah, I mean, I just was happy to see I really love Rebels. I love Ahsoka. I love rebels. And I wish Ahsoka was in more of mean. She was in a lot of great episodes, but I'm just happy to see those characters interacting again. Happy to see Ezra back. Spoiler alert. I know we kind of covered that, but happy to see Ezra. I think they were all cast, really.
I don't know if I'm butchering that name, but I think he was great. I think he just really captures the essence of Ezra really well.
That was probably my favorite casting of the live action rebels casting.
I really like Mary Elizabeth winstead as harrow too. I think she kind of grew on me a little bit at first. I didn't see it just because they look so different physically, but that kind of grew on me. And I think Natasha Lou Bordizzo does a really good job of Sabine, too. I think they all kind of transitioned really well into live action.
[00:19:56] Speaker B: I thought he killed it as Ezra. Especially like in that last episode where we saw him take the walkie talkie thing off the trooper's belt and he was like, yeah, okay. You could see it in his face exactly how it would have been in animation that I'm going to take this trooper's armor and I'm getting on a shuttle and I'm getting the hell out of here before anyone sees me. So it was funny to see that because it felt like when the shuttle landed back on the ship, hero was on I can't remember the name of it, and he took the helmet off. It just felt like back in another Rebels episode. And she was feel I know. I feel so, like, this was like a moment like five years in the making, like in Dave Filoni's head, and he was like, oh, upward.
[00:20:50] Speaker C: No hug, though. Yeah. I mean, at least we got an Ezra and Sabine hug, right? Yeah, they'll probably cover that more in season. So that's the thing.
I kind of feel like they could split the show into two. I kind of feel like they could split off into like and I think we can touch on that eventually, but I feel like there's enough that they've built there where they can split off. I feel like there's so much to do there's so much to do in Ahsoka season two that I don't know if they're going to have time to cover what Thrawn is up to and what the Rebels are up to back in the core worlds. I feel like Ahsoka season two should be, like, just covering what Balin and what Ahsoka and Sabine are up to. And I kind of feel like we'll get more characters involved too, maybe with a different show, kind of I don't to that's all I'll say. But I kind of feel like there's a lot to do with there's a lot to do in Paridia, and I don't know if they have enough room to cover everything back in the core worlds.
[00:21:57] Speaker B: It would have to be more than just like these 30 to 1 hour minute eight episodes.
They'd have to commit to doing more. And I feel like I don't know why, but I feel like they're so afraid to do more than eight episodes for anything on Disney Plus when it comes to Marvel and Star Wars. But people would watch if you just stretched it out. And they've had this pacing problem for forever. But I don't think Ahsoka had a pacing problem. But everything else has had this recurring issue where it's like it needs to be more than eight episodes.
[00:22:32] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I agree with for the Heroes, I thought everyone did a great job. I will say that I really wanted the guy who played Aladdin to be Ezra, but once I met Aman, I was like, oh, no, he's killing it.
Yeah, there was like, nobody else.
[00:22:51] Speaker C: I would have been like, that's Aladdin, that's not know. So it would have been hard. I like that it's a fresh face. And I think he really does look like Ezra and almost like, perfectly transitioned from live action, especially when he shaves the beard, probably. I just feel like he'll look just like him.
[00:23:08] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, sure.
[00:23:10] Speaker A: I will say that I wasn't as impressed with hera because she felt so different to me from rebels hera and I wanted more of a deep dive into where she was. Since losing Kanan, that I feel like that part was missing. For me to really understand her journey and why she was because she almost seemed more stoic than usual. Because sometimes hera was very she was strong, and she didn't move with her emotions, but she did get excited. And sometimes that she talked or I felt like she always kind of had, like, a raised eyebrow with these people, and it felt like that was kind of missing. It felt I wish that there was a little bit more from hera, and I think that that was just like a time crunch. There wasn't enough time, and they kind of sacrificed some of.
[00:23:59] Speaker C: Hera'S. I think that they actually should have stripped hera of her general rank and put her back into a rebel situation. I think that would have brought the character more down to Earth, and I think that would have opened the door to continuing rebels doing a rebel show. So Hera is like a general, so she kind of has a duty to the Republic in a way that she didn't in rebels. And I thought that if they kind of like I thought if they voted to strip her general rank, that would have allowed them to do kind of like a more rebels thing again, where especially if Ezra is coming back now, you could do, like, hera, Jason, Ezra, Chopper, and Zeb, and you can do, like, a rebels crew again. I thought that they could have done that, but they didn't end up doing that. And I still think that there's, like, a chance that they're going to end up doing a show like that. I feel like they want to make Ezra have his own show kind of in a way, so I could kind of see them doing, like, an Ezra and Thrawn kind of show where it's like, continuing on what Ahsoka season was or soka in season one was. But now just kind of having Ezra be like, the main character and having it be a different show while they continue the plot that they've developed with Ahsoka in season two, that's, like, my hope at least. I can kind of see that being the case.
[00:25:16] Speaker A: Makes sense.
Okay, so now that we've kind of looked at the heroes, let's look at the villains of the story. And the first thought I'm having that I want to get your thoughts on is, was there too many villains to Ahsoka? Because there was a lot of people that came in kind of as like, Adversaries. And I'm wondering if we feel like maybe some of them had to take a backseat because of know, we had Balin, we had Shin, we had Morgan, and then of course, we have Grand Admiral Thrawn, who doesn't come in until much later. But what do we think about the villains? Do we feel like there was too much again, is this a time crunch thing? Do we feel like there was more episodes? Emily, let's start with you.
[00:25:57] Speaker B: I think they actually kind of not like an equal amount of time, but we had a time set for them like Balin and Shin and Morgan when we were in the main galaxy, and then when we jumped to the other galaxy and Paridia, it was then that Thrawn and the Great Mothers and had their time to shine. So it's like we had the first few episodes and it was like we were being introduced to these guys and we were getting reacquainted with Morgan. And now that the main event is Thrawn, like, I didn't think it was too much because now we were in his territory. He had spent years here, so of course he knew Priydia and he was in charge and everyone else had to take a backseat. So I think that was the thought process of bringing all these guys in. And I think Balin had known from what he said when he was this is where we split paths to Shin. I think he had known the whole time. Like, the way the Great Mothers were talking to Morgan, he was like, I felt this pull in the Force and we had to come here. So now I'm going to go, but you can go join the Empire or this rising empire. So it was like, I do wish we got more of them in the last episode. I don't think they had enough. So that's what makes me kind of hope for season two, is that we see them more for and like, I agree, like, Ezra and Thrawn should kind of have their own thing going.
[00:27:35] Speaker A: You're right. I think it makes didn't I want to say I don't think I thought of it at the time of watching it, but it makes sense as to like, there's two clear, definitive sections of this story and one of them was Balin and Shin being the villains to get to Grand Admiral Thrawn. But when we got to Thrawn, it is his story.
And I would say my only disappointment about this is that we're not going to get more of Ray Stevenson as Bailen because I know he was great. I loved him. Him and shin. I could watch a whole show about those two characters, the stoic one, the one that reminded me more of, oh, my gosh, what is his name? Ben. Ben Solo.
[00:28:19] Speaker C: What's his kylo ren?
[00:28:21] Speaker A: Kylo Ren, like how it was a little more erratic and a little more of that emotion. But even though that you're trained in it more so than Balin, I just love the two of them together. But Drew, take it away. About the villains.
[00:28:37] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it was pretty well balanced in terms of the villains.
It kind of feels like Dave Filoni kind of I almost felt like at times he wrote them in there just so that we had reasons to have lightsaber duels. But at the same time, they gave them a really satisfying story, which I do appreciate.
I think that they had definitely palin has just as satisfying of a story as any other character in the show. Really. I mean, maybe besides Ahsoka and Sabine, but he really got a lot of development and they kind of were given that kind of they almost felt like leads at times in the show where they were like the lead and then kind of Thrawn took over when Thrawn came in. But I think it was really well balanced. I really think people kind of were obsessed with Sabine and Shin. There's so many TikToks about that and stuff. And I just found that funny. But I think there was a really good balance early in the season that it was very heavy on like Balin, Shin and Morgan, Elizabeth and Morocc, who we all kind of forgot about because.
[00:29:50] Speaker B: He died halfway through the I honestly forgot Morocc was a villain until you just said something right now.
[00:29:56] Speaker C: Yeah, we kind of forgot about him. But that was just a character that was just in there for lightsaber duels. There was literally no other reason he was there.
But yeah, it was well balanced. I do wish we got a little bit more of like Baelin and Shin and um, but they had to make time for Thrawn and that's understandable mean Thrawn is ultimately the big bad of the even think I don't even think Baelin and Shin are going to be like villains long term. I just think that they have an objective and they have a skewed way of viewing that objective and they kind of are willing to sacrifice some of their morals to achieve that, which is not very Jedi like. But at the same time, I don't think that they're necessarily villains just yet. And I don't think that they're going to be villains. I don't know if they're going to continue Balin's story in season two. I don't know. We don't know that yet because of Ray Stevenson, obviously. That's very sad. But if they recast, I think there's still a lot of story left. And I think that they're characters who probably can be brought back into the light a little bit.
[00:31:01] Speaker A: I'm thinking that he almost had to recast them just for how it ended with his character. He's staying there in the shadow of the Mortise God statue. There's no way that he is not either becoming an embodiment of the Mortise gods or that because he is. The balance of Ahsoka is kind of what this series was leading to. Like, there was the brother and the sister.
I feel like at this point, if they just dropped him off, you're missing a big part of what happened at the end of Ahsoka. And I think that that would leave a lot of people feeling very dissatisfied. So I think recasting is probably the best way to go.
[00:31:36] Speaker C: Yeah, I can kind of see know, Vic wrote a theory that they're kind of setting up a new Mortis Scott Trio with Anakin, Balin, and Ahsoka. And I can kind of see that. Honestly, I could see that coming to fruition, whether they choose to, like you said, recast him and continue that story, or they could say he went missing after that or something like that, and they're searching for him or something like that. But I think it'd probably be smarter to continue his story as long as the recast is good and it kind of carries that same kind of the characterization doesn't change at all. I think that's a very I'm just wondering who can kind of play that role. I know it kind of seems basic and you feel like there's probably a lot of actors that can, but I think Ray Stevenson just had, like, a voice.
It's just the way he kind of played that role is just hard to replace. And that's why people loved him in it, because he kind of owned a role that could have been simple, but he made it his own kind of.
[00:32:35] Speaker B: It was all in the way he spoke and carried Balin.
[00:32:40] Speaker C: It almost felt like he kind of believed his lines, like he really bought into the character. And I think that's what made it great. And I think that's what makes Star Wars characters great is when their actors can really buy into the characterization.
[00:32:53] Speaker A: Sure.
Emily, what are your thoughts, know, potentially Balin's story? Like, do you think that there's some credence, maybe to theory that there's something going on with him in the Mortise gods and Ahsoka being this balance?
[00:33:08] Speaker B: I think there is, especially like the balance thing. And we saw him with those statues in the mountains pointing, and it was a parallel shot of Anakin because you could see something like blinking on the mountain in the distance. And that happened. That was literally like the same exact shot with Anakin from the Clone Wars episodes when they first went to so it's there's something there. I don't want to get my hopes up and make guesses on what I know not to do with the balance, but with a potential other threat on Pritia that I've seen so many people talk about. And she's from Legends, is Abelith. She's part of that family. And I know Luke kind of faced her down in Legends, and the only thing that can kill her is the dagger of Mortise. So that kind of makes me hope we'll see Mortise again and Ahsoka can go back and see where it's at. So maybe something with abilities and he ends up finding like because when he said he felt this like and he felt like something influencing like that's like, whole thing, she influenced a bunch of young Jedi knights into madness. So I wonder if that's if they'll just end Balin's story and they'll find Abilith or if they'll continue it and he comes back and he's like, you guys need to follow me.
[00:34:38] Speaker C: She's like the mother of the Mortise gods, right? Like, isn't that the whole thing?
[00:34:41] Speaker B: She's like the I don't think Abelith is the like she found out who her real father was. I think at some point in Legends, because she went to some pool of knowledge or something.
It's very weird. And then she turned into this immortal monster. And that's why she looks the way she looks and has that really weird joker smile with the jagged teeth. Because when the father found out what she did, he was like, no, step back.
[00:35:17] Speaker C: I feel like I saw it was like the three mortise gods trapped her in somewhere.
[00:35:23] Speaker B: I don't know where they trapped her. I have no idea where they trapped her. I know Luke could get to her at some point, but then she went back to her homeworld. But I don't think her homeworld in Legends was ever specified. I could be wrong about that, though.
[00:35:38] Speaker A: That would be crazy, though, because I've seen pictures I don't know much of the Legends stories, but I've seen pictures of her, and she is terrifying.
[00:35:46] Speaker B: Oh, she's nasty looking. I'm so scared of her.
[00:35:50] Speaker C: I don't think she'll look like that in live action, honestly. I don't think they'll make her that creepy. I think she'll just be like a person.
[00:35:57] Speaker B: She'll have to be a little toned down.
[00:35:59] Speaker C: I've seen some people say that she could be reanimated as Elsbeth. Like, they could use Elsbeth's body. I saw somebody say that, which would be like a cool way to keep Diana Lee and Asanto on the show. But obviously they could cast like a different person even if they get to that. We don't even know if that's well.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: Part of Abela's thing was she used other bodies to hide herself and keep herself alive. So that's a possibility is they could use Morgan if they wanted to keep her.
[00:36:29] Speaker A: That would be very interesting because she was also very terrifying in this.
So for the story wise, did we like what we got in the eight episodes?
Was it anything that you were shocked about?
What was just like our general feel of all the story that season one presented for us?
We'll start with you, Drew.
[00:36:53] Speaker C: So in terms of did I enjoy season one or did I like the eight episodes? Yeah, so my honest reaction was, like, I loved episodes one through six. Totally. I was totally in love with the show.
I think episodes seven and eight were a little bit like a tier below the standard that the show had set. And that was unfortunate because I really, really loved the show. And episode seven and eight not being as great doesn't change my view on the show.
I think it's still up there with andor I know that's a big debate, and I don't want to get into that because that just causes a whole thing.
But I think, yeah, it's right up there with andor I think it's better than all three seasons of The Mandalorian, better than Boba FET.
I really liked it a lot.
[00:37:47] Speaker A: Did you mention Obi wan, or did you forget that?
[00:37:49] Speaker C: Like, it's hard to even talk about, right? Like, the only thing I love about obi Wan is the battle between vader and Obi wan at the end. That's really all I liked.
[00:37:59] Speaker B: And little later still gives me chills even.
[00:38:02] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:38:03] Speaker B: Now thinking about.
[00:38:06] Speaker C: Wish, like, I do wish episode seven and eight were a little bit better. I feel like they had such potential to make paridia, like, such a cool place, and it was just, like, a wasteland. And I was like, man, even, like, the cinematography of it, they had such a chance to make it look so cool, and some of it just looked gray and cloudy, and it just looked visually, it just was unappealing.
But I don't want to focus too much on the negative one through six. I thought episode four was awesome. Episode four was like, probably it's hard to not say episode five because I love Hayden Christensen. I love Anakin. I love the relationship between ahsoka and Anakin. But I think episode four was the most well done. I think, visually, I think it had the best lightsaber fights.
I think it accomplished the most in the story.
I think it was just the most that and, like, episode five and six, like I said earlier, were the most well rounded episodes, and that really kind of completed the show.
And so I'm not really mad about episode seven or eight. I love Ezra. I think he's great in the show.
But, yeah, overall, I don't know if I want to give it, like, a grade or something. I think I said on Twitter, I was like, say, like, an 8.5 or a nine out of ten for me. Somewhere around that.
[00:39:31] Speaker A: Okay.
What about you, Emily?
How was it for you?
[00:39:37] Speaker B: I absolutely loved it because Asoka I'm so biased because asoka is, like, one of my favorite characters, and I love hating Christensen so much. And I met him over the summer at fan expo, so I'm biased. This was my favorite show, and anything that he shows up in, just keep giving us Anakin because he's just such a treat to watch now and that he's like they love that I'm back, and I think you can see that in his performance. And just watching Ahsoka continue to grow this show is just phenomenal for me and for the potential of a second season. And then knowing she'll definitely be in Dave Filoni's endgame type movie for Star Wars is just it's going to be, like, a huge treat.
[00:40:25] Speaker A: I definitely want to say that I loved the story as well.
I thought this is my favorite series off of Star Wars on Disney plus, because controversial as it may be, I don't think andar is that good. And so this one definitely just ranked really high for me because I think that it was an excellent story.
I really didn't have any complaints. I felt like every episode, again, rebels being one of my favorites. This being almost a continuation of Rebels. It felt like being back with friends, almost.
But Drew sorry, you were to say something.
[00:41:01] Speaker C: Honestly, I forgot what I was going to say.
[00:41:04] Speaker A: Okay.
So speaking of you mentioned Drew, episode Seven and eight being like a tear down, do you think?
I guess I'll just say what I'm thinking first. I thought one thing that did kind of negatively impact Episode Seven specifically for me was the connections to the wider Star Wars universe, specifically with C Three PO and the mention of Leia. And while I think that the original is amazing, I liked that Asoka felt removed from it all. Even though it was connected to these characters that we knew. It felt like something like it didn't have to be in service of the larger story, even though because it's its own story, it felt like it was like a branched timeline almost of the world.
And so when C Three P showed up, I'm going to be honest with you, I kind of rolled my eyes and I was like, oh, there had to be something that tied it back to it.
Do you think that that maybe had some impact on why that episode felt like it was a step down or what was it for you?
[00:42:09] Speaker C: So I'll be honest, I'm a big choreography guy. Sure.
I like fight scenes. I like choreography.
I'm a big cinematography choreography. I just like the overall aspect of filmmaking. And I felt like Episode Seven, I just felt like the pacing felt uneven. I think that ultimately the fight with the Stormtroopers and Shin and the fight with Ahsoka and Bailen kind of felt like oddly paced. The choreography was not great.
I think I tweeted something like I tend to tweet something that I'm like, maybe I shouldn't think about this a little more. I tend to do that sometimes. And I was like, man, Disney really needs a new choreography. Like, that was just my feeling after watching Episode Seven was, you know, I remember there was some rumors that Ezra was going to be like this force Guru martial arts master. So I think I had my expectations up a little bit and then I just kind of was let down by the choreography.
I thought that just fighting in an open field like that was a little bit weak. I thought the setting of that whole kind of conclusion of the episode kind of felt a little bit weak.
Asoka and Balin, she just jumped out of her plane and landed, and there was Balin, and then they fought for like 30 seconds and then she ran away and it just felt weird. It just didn't feel right for me. It just didn't feel earned in a way, kind of I'm not really sure.
[00:43:47] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:43:49] Speaker C: C three PO. Yeah.
You know, they were going to do something like that eventually.
[00:43:54] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:43:54] Speaker C: There just wasn't a way.
And that's fine.
It really felt like its own thing, even down to the music sometimes. It was very original. I kind of felt like it was Star Wars, but like a new version of Star Wars in a way, kind of. It felt very like an homage to old Star Wars, but in a newer way. I think part of that is the music.
Kevin Kiner was the composer and it was all kind of original music, but had some of the older scores were weaved in there and stuff. So when you mentioned ties back to the universe, that didn't really bother me in this series. I think this series felt the most kind of original, kind of even with stuff of the new Republic, I didn't feel like a great connection to the known universe in a know.
[00:44:51] Speaker A: I love that you mentioned the music, because there was actually a part in episode eight where when Ahsoka and Sabine jumped onto the ship and then the buildings collapsing at the end where it was so close to being the iconic Star Wars theme, but then it wasn't, and it gave me goosebumps for no reason other than I was like, it was so close. And then at the same time, you're reminded that it's something different.
[00:45:19] Speaker C: My opinion is that composers shouldn't be afraid to use the original Star Wars music.
I think that's what was so great about rebel season one is a lot of the music is the same as it was in the New Hope and Empire strikes Back. They use a lot of those themes and it kind of makes you feel like you're in Star Wars. I think a lot of the music kind of puts you into that element of Star Wars in a way. And I think more Star Wars composers shouldn't be afraid to use the.
[00:45:52] Speaker A: You know. So something that you brought up, Drew, and I want to ask you about this, Emily, is one of the complaints I did see on Twitter or people talking about it was that the choreography felt very staged, like with the lightsaber fights. How did you feel about that? Did you feel that it was, I don't know, very Disney fight or do you feel like it felt more natural? What are your thoughts on that?
[00:46:16] Speaker C: Yeah, this is going to be like my most passionate kind of topic. But I'll let Emily go first.
[00:46:21] Speaker A: That's why I wanted her to begin first, because I know that you can go on for a while.
[00:46:26] Speaker B: I think the fight like you brought up Drew, the fight between her and Balin was very OD when she jumped out of her ship. And it was just to really be like, oh, you're not dead after I pushed you off the cliff. And she was like, nope. And it was so OD. I think the best fight was between her and Morgan. I think at times it felt like she didn't have enough room. It looked like she felt like she didn't have enough room because she was very in on herself with her arms closer to her body. And that's not how animated Ahsoka fights. Like, Animated Ahsoka used her entire wingspan of her arms, if you will. And so it looked like it was like I don't know if it was Rosaria Dawson. I don't know if it was the way that they choreographed it. I don't know if the set wasn't big enough. But she looked like she was really afraid to start swinging. If you yes. When Sadine was just like, I'm going to use this like a baseball bat and I don't care. And Ezra looked like he normally would. I just they needed to give her more room, I think, to choreograph it because everything was choreographed so close together and so tight.
[00:47:39] Speaker C: Yeah, everything felt very stiff.
Were you going to say something, Brian?
[00:47:43] Speaker A: I was just going to say that one of the things I had noticed, especially in this last episode with Ahsoka fighting was that I think it was the direction that they must have given her, but they always had her.
Try your best to keep your eye on the enemy. And I feel like with Ahsoka, that wasn't necessary. Sometimes she would do these spins and stuff and that she almost had the force reaching out to be part of it. And this one, it was like Rosario Dawson was always like, okay, turn as fast as you can, but whip your head around so you can be I that felt a little unnatural for the character that I feel like we've come to know.
[00:48:18] Speaker B: I think it had to do technical stuff. I think it was all like they were terrified of that headpiece just flying right off of her in the moment because in animation, Ahsoka would do flips. She'd extend herself and everything. But I don't think Rosaria Dawson could do that because she even said she was like, they made it specifically and I could barely hear anything because it was like she heard just this clacking of plastic in her ears every time the Montreals and Leku moved. So I think that was a whole thing. They were like, let's practically keep this on.
[00:48:59] Speaker C: A prequel. I love the prequels for the know.
I think they really put Rosario Dawson at a disadvantage here.
They had her in, like, the poncho, which very clearly was limiting her range of lightsaber.
I think episode eight, the duel with her and Morgan Elspeth works so well because she's not wearing the poncho. She has a much wider range of motion. On top of that, I think, like we said, she's worried about the Leku falling or the mantras falling off.
So, yeah, they kind of put her at a really big disadvantage in choreography. And on top of that, they had her doing some really unnecessary spins, like, a lot. And they looked really slow and they kind of slowed down the pace of the fight because she had to do the spin so the other enemy couldn't hit her, and it kind of just slowed down the pace of the fight.
I would say that they shouldn't have had her doing all those spins.
She wasn't able to complete them at a faster pace. In a way, I think that's why Sabine and Shin's fighting. I said that a couple of times in the group chat. I said I think that Sabine and Shin's choreography was actually better than a lot of Ahsoka's fights because it was just straight up.
It was just like straight up lightsaber fighting. And I think that just worked the best because they were able to have good choreography. They didn't have them doing crazy spins and stuff like that. It was just good sword fighting.
So could they have her with obviously she's got two lightsabers, which kind of slows down the pace a little bit because we're used to prequel fighting where it's just one blade, where you just have one blade and you're doing, like, the crazy anakin Obi Wan twirls and stuff like and I don't know if you guys watch, in Clone Wars, I was actually watching the Darth Maul ahsoka fight in the mandalore like episode, and I was noticing she's not able to kind of fight as fast in a way. Like, if you watch Darth Maul, he's kind of, like, swinging that thing around like the prequels, but with two lightsabers, you're not really able to go at that same kind of pace in a way that in the prequels, you're just using one blade. I guess it's just a choreography thing. And that really kind of like they definitely struggled on that in live action. I noticed that when she had one lightsaber, her choreography was a lot better. Like the fight scene in episode four with Ahsoka and Merrick or um, they actually had some decent choreography. Same with Ahsoka versus Balin. Their choreography was okay in episode four because it was just one lightsaber.
But, yeah, overall, I think the choreography did struggle a little bit at times. I just like to see lightsaber fights. They were better than the sequel series, they were better than the choreography was better than the sequel series. But that really isn't saying much. But I guess I just have high standards for lightsaber fights.
[00:51:55] Speaker A: Two thoughts here. First off, I don't think any fight is better than the last Jedi fight with her and Kylo Ren after they kill Snoke. I think that's one of the best fights we have.
[00:52:08] Speaker B: I love the throne room fight.
[00:52:10] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a great fight.
[00:52:11] Speaker A: I can watch that scene over and over.
But second is, I actually did not like the fights where she only had one saber because it felt very unnatural for the character. And it also looked like she didn't know how to hold just one. It looked like she was almost afraid to hold just one and so, again, it could just be that. I was used to that. But I also found it interesting too, because correct me if I'm wrong, but it's either Clone Wars or Rebels. Isn't one of her sabers slightly shorter than the other?
[00:52:43] Speaker C: Yes. Even in the live action show.
[00:52:46] Speaker A: Are they? Because it looked the same to me and I was waiting for one to be shorter.
[00:52:50] Speaker C: She has the shoto blade, which is like in her left hand, and it's meant to be like a blocking blade. It's like a Ronin kind of thing. But that actually got destroyed in the last episode. So she now only has one lightsaber.
[00:53:03] Speaker A: Time for her to get a staff or something then.
[00:53:05] Speaker C: Well, yeah, I mean, maybe she'll just have two colors because to get the white kyber crystals, you have to kind of heal it in a way.
[00:53:14] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like mending, like the red kyber crystals. And that's how she got them in the first place, because in the book, in her book, she killed an inquisitor, like literally with her bare hands. And then she took his kyber crystals because she heard them calling to her and then she cleansed them and then they became the white crystals.
[00:53:34] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[00:53:35] Speaker B: But even her green ones, the shoto one was a little off. Like, it was a different kind of shade of green than her actual one because Anakin gave her the shoto saber because he noticed when she was fighting and practicing that she wasn't defending a side of herself because she fights with that reverse grip. And so he gifted it to her because he made it for makes sense.
[00:53:58] Speaker A: Okay, so before we run out of time, because obviously I want to talk about the future because I'm excited about where this show took us.
Where do we think Star Wars is headed from here? And this could be general, this could be, asoka I know, the next series we're getting, and I think it's coming in 2023, still is. Skeleton crew. Unless it just got delayed.
[00:54:21] Speaker C: No, it's coming in January.
You know how we just did the report on we just did the report on Agatha.
I think it was the same site had skeleton crew at January 2024.
[00:54:37] Speaker B: Then what would be after skeleton crew? I know this is looking like way far ahead. Is it?
[00:54:41] Speaker C: Andor andor or the Acolyte, which I heard the Acolyte has some good choreography. It's got Shangchi's choreography.
[00:54:50] Speaker B: Team I'm excited for that because, like the end of the High Republic and stuff. And that's going to be a good time period for Star Wars. They've been taking their time with that one, too.
[00:55:00] Speaker C: Yeah, my expectations are through the roof on that one.
[00:55:03] Speaker B: Definitely.
[00:55:04] Speaker C: They shot on a lot of live locations, so it's not going to be a lot of green screen, which I'm really excited about.
That's my most anticipated series, definitely.
[00:55:15] Speaker A: I think what's exciting about that one, too, is that Carrie ann Moss's character fights with the Force without lightsabers. And I think that's something really cool. It's more of the traditional martial arts. Yeah, I think that's going to be a really cool take to kind of see and plus, technically it cuts down on like true. That's also very nice. But okay. Where do we want Star Wars to go with either ahsoka, with the series? Where do we think we're headed towards with Air of the Empire? Because that's clearly where we're going here. What do you think is next?
Dealer's choice? Let's go, Emily, because this is your baby again. Tell us where you were.
[00:56:00] Speaker B: Think like I said earlier, when we're talking about villains and stuff, I think we have the potential to see Mortise again since we seem to be dealing with the Mortise gods and we're headed in that direction. And it seems very exploratory.
We're going it's inevitable. We're going to see.
They're going to have to recast like Luke and Leia. And I hope they stick with Alden as Han because we're going to need them again at 110%. Because if this movie is what everyone thinks it's going to be in like an end game type thing, we're going to see characters interacting and it's going to connect for real, the original trilogy and all these side stories that we've seen. And it's going to be like an all out let's prevent all out war type thing. Again.
I don't know. We're going to see.
[00:56:59] Speaker C: So I had just talked to Red Ridova. He's one of our writers. I had just talked to him and I was know it's hard to be excited for Heir to the Empire because they like I don't know if they're going to lose in the movie, but ultimately they lose, right? Because the first order takes over and stuff like that.
[00:57:18] Speaker B: Well, I don't know if that would be how the Heir to the Empire ends. Because at this point, if Ben's been born, he's like five or like seven or something or like around not Jason's age, but he's at least younger than Jason or something. Like, I think. I don't know if they'll lose particularly because when he's older and when he's like a teenager, I think is when he's with Luke and that's when he's.
[00:57:51] Speaker C: Like I'll probably rephrase. I'll say that Thrawn obviously loses, but I think they kind of weave the weave towards the sequel trilogy.
[00:58:05] Speaker B: Yeah, they'll definitely do that because that's what they've been doing since the Mandalorian is they're trying to make Exegol and Palpatine coming back make sense. I've even seen it in some of the Darth Vader comics that I've read.
Palpatine kept Luke's hand that he cut off and Empire Strikes Back, and he kept it on Exegol. And that's where all the Cloning stuff was. And we're even seeing it with the bad batch and everything, like what all these Cloning scientists are doing and stuff like that. So they're trying to make. It make sense. So I think that is definitely where it's headed.
[00:58:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Where I'd like to see the future head is for them to slow down a little bit. Don't go straight to the movie.
[00:58:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:58:54] Speaker C: Let them do a couple of seasons of ahsoka. Let them develop Rebels into a show. Do another season or two of know, flesh out some other shows. Because once you get to that story, you're kind of burning your it's like, endgame. You're kind of turning a page that you can't turn back.
[00:59:13] Speaker B: I feel like they've definitely built up all these problems so fast with all these new people and everyone's like, we're so confused as to where this is going, but we know where it's going. But it feels like they've built it up too fast.
[00:59:26] Speaker C: Yeah. I think they need to slow down a little bit. Unless they have plans to do multiple Avengers style movies. Yeah, but if you're going to do like a big and I think at Celebration, they kind of called it the culmination of the mando verse.
[00:59:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:41] Speaker C: And that kind of concerned me because I'm like, that means that you're kind of closing the page on everything. And that is a very large decision to make.
[00:59:50] Speaker B: Exactly.
It just started.
[00:59:57] Speaker C: They need to chill a little bit. Like, at least another five years at the least.
They don't got to do that movie so quickly. But I think they're just eager to do a movie. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the Empire movie doesn't end up happening.
[01:00:11] Speaker A: Okay.
That's part of the course of Star Wars now, right?
[01:00:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Everything's gone, canceled.
[01:00:17] Speaker C: It really wouldn't surprise me if they make it into, like, a show.
They just have such a hard time with movies. I don't know what's going on.
[01:00:27] Speaker B: They just cannot get these biggest mystery to me. And I really want to be nosy and know the answer.
[01:00:33] Speaker C: Yeah. They just can't get the movies made, and I'm not sure what it is. So it wouldn't surprise me if Heir to the Empire ends up being an event series, like an 80 episode event series. I would like for it to be a movie because you have a higher budget.
[01:00:50] Speaker B: But also with a TV show, though, it's like the scary not the scary thing, but it's like the annoying thing is they have time to waste a little bit, if you will, because they're going to be like, we need some filler stuff in here. But with something like this big, with Heir to the Empire, you can't do a filler you can't do like a half of a filler episode and then make the rest of the episode serious. It's got to be like a let's go go type of thing.
[01:01:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree.
I guess my hope is just to flesh out a little bit.
I would like to see something happen with Rebels where it's its own kind of thing for a little while. I'd like to see Ahsoka continue for a little while. I'd like to see another season or two of Mandalorian.
They're doing skeleton Crew, which is obviously going to be a thing in the current timeline.
There are some rumors that it could be connected to Ahsoka online.
So I think that there's still a lot that they're building and it takes time to build stuff. I think that was the problem with Marvel right now is Marvel is probably doing a little bit too much and too quickly. I think you need to find a balance. You don't want to do things too quickly. You don't want to do things too slow.
So, yeah, my hope for the future is continue to build out what we're currently doing to set up the movie properly.
[01:02:13] Speaker B: I think a combination of all that, though, was like, everyone was so afraid to play catch up from COVID and they were like, let's put all this out. And there was no need for Marvel to do like 18 projects in one year because it was far too much and a lot of them didn't feel very connected while others did. And then I think the other part of it was like, Bob Chapek took over, and I think he expected so much from everybody and there were like mergers happening and stuff like that. And it all got very confusing and very scary and it all went way too fast.
[01:02:48] Speaker A: I think a good thing to keep in mind, too is that a big difference here, too, is when Bob Chippick took over, marvel was still full steam ahead. But Star Wars had kind of taken a back burner since the sequel trilogy besides the Mando, and there was just starting to be this new rollout. And so I think it's a lot easier to make something quality when you're just starting out again and you're slowly rolling it out than when the train is already on the tracks and going and now you're trying to stop it and enter back on. And COVID was a huge hit for that. But I do like what they're doing with the Star Wars shows on Disney. Plus, it feels like that's really the home for Star Wars right now. I'd love to see a film again. I really cannot wait. I'm so looking forward to the Ray one, but I was a big fan of the sequel trilogy.
But there's definitely hopefully going to be a strong future, and I hope that Heir to the Empire gets made eventually.
[01:03:47] Speaker C: But you're right. I think said that the Ray movie is going to film next year. So that seems like it's going to happen.
I feel like it's going to happen. I mean, Dave Filoni is probably working on a soga season.
[01:03:58] Speaker B: Like, I think the Ray movie definitely will happen because they brought Daisy Ridley back out on stage and they have that's so lame. If you back down from it now when you're like, hey, we have her. She's coming back. Can you believe it?
[01:04:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I think they kind of feel like they owe her justice. I know you like series, Brian, but I think they kind of feel like they owe her they kind of owe her a do over.
So I think that's definitely going to the man. I don't know if what the heck is his name? The dawn of the Jedi. What's the guy's name? He did the Indiana Jones movie. James Mangold.
[01:04:38] Speaker A: Mangold.
[01:04:39] Speaker C: I don't know if that movie is going to happen. That's another one where it's like Rogue Squadron or Taika Batiti or Kevin Feige Marco Waldron movie. You just don't know.
[01:04:50] Speaker A: I have good feeling about two of them. From the stuff that I know behind the scenes, two of them are definitely headings forward, but it remains to be seen which two those are.
[01:05:02] Speaker C: Yeah, we'll yeah, who knows at this point. But, yeah, I believe you're. I definitely believe you, Brian.
[01:05:11] Speaker A: So, with that being said, we are running out of time and we'd love to continue the conversation with you listeners. So check us
[email protected], or you can find us on Twitter and other social medias at mycosmiccircus and our Cosmic Circuit podcast, Twitter, at cosmic podcast. Thank you again for tuning in to the Cosmic Circle. My name is Brian Kitson and you can find me on Twitter at kitson 301. Emily. Drew, it's always so nice to have you on. Before we go, though, remind people where they can find you.
[01:05:40] Speaker C: You can find me on Twitter at Drew Reed 10 99.
I'm usually only on Twitter.
[01:05:49] Speaker B: You can find me on Twitter at Emilymcd eleven. That's the only thing I ever use these days.
[01:05:56] Speaker A: And then, as always, you can find them on thecosmicsrcus.com I know we have a review of Asoka coming up from Emily, probably tomorrow.
It will come out before the podcast. So I hope you guys read it because it's a really brilliant and thank you again, everybody, and we cannot wait for our next trip through the cosmos.
