[00:00:16] Speaker A: Welcome back, listeners, to another episode of the Cosmic Circle, the official podcast of the cosmic circus. On today's episode, we will be discussing Percy Jackson and the Olympians. Not just the books, not just the tv shows. We're going to be covering it at all. My name is Brian Kitson, head writer at the cosmic circus. And joining me today are Anthony Flagg and Isla Ruby. How are we doing today?
[00:00:38] Speaker B: Freezing.
That's the only correct response.
[00:00:42] Speaker A: Do you not like the pits of hell that Hades is providing you?
[00:00:47] Speaker B: No, I just moved away from the pit of Hades, remember?
[00:00:52] Speaker C: Is that place cold? Like a pre level? Right. Is limbo really cold? I don't know.
[00:00:58] Speaker A: I don't know. Next to Annabeth's heart's pretty cold.
[00:01:01] Speaker C: No, I'm just kidding.
You were wrong. Like.
[00:01:05] Speaker A: No, we're going to get into it. So before we get into it, though, spoiler warning for everybody. We will be talking about the books. We will be talking about the show, possibly the movies, if everyone feels like talking about.
[00:01:17] Speaker C: Are we allowed to talk about the movies? Do they not exist?
[00:01:22] Speaker B: I'm not nice.
[00:01:23] Speaker A: If Vic was here, it would totally have to be talked about. So shout out to Vic. This is for you. We might talk about him.
[00:01:32] Speaker C: I think we shout out Vic on every single podcast at this just, you know, so big in our heart.
[00:01:38] Speaker A: He's so shot outable, as they would say.
So we're just going to dive in, and I want to know how you guys got into the world of Percy Jackson.
Was it the books? Was it the television show? Was it the movies? Where did you begin? How did you begin? How did you get here? Why are you on this podcast? We're just jumping in. And, Isla, I want to start with you. What's your entry into spot?
[00:02:02] Speaker C: I have no idea how I got here. I have no idea why I'm here, who you guys are, but I think I started reading the books, but I honestly don't remember because it's been a really long time.
But I would say, I guess really it was after the movies, and I think it was the first movie that I liked it. I'm terrible. I like the movie, and I don't think I like the second one. And then I just got really excited for the tv show because I love mythology and I love everything Greece. So I was just excited about that.
[00:02:34] Speaker A: Well, we're so thankful that your love of John Travolta and Olivia, John, has brought you to this moment. Oh, wrong grease. No, I'm just kidding.
Anthony, what has been your journey with Percy Jackson?
[00:02:47] Speaker B: I'm still shaking my head, what you just said. So shout out to Liam Curly on Twitter, because he was the most passionate person I've ever seen about a series.
[00:02:59] Speaker C: He's like, Mr. Percy Jackson, pretty much.
[00:03:02] Speaker B: Yeah, Mr. Jackson there. So he always had the books. And I was like, all right, let me just check it out. I mean, the series has to be good for the amount of copies they sold. I got about, I think, two or three chapters into the first book, and then I bought the other four, and then I read the rest of them. Within, like, eight days. I read the five books. I just toured through them. I didn't do anything except eat, sleep, and then read and work. Well, no, I didn't really work. I read, and then I was like, I'll give it a shot. I watched the movies.
I understand.
Just Hollywood happens, man, can I get.
[00:03:42] Speaker A: That tattooed on my forehead?
[00:03:45] Speaker B: That needs to be a Hollywood happens.
And that's one of the most egregious ones. But I've seen worse movies and worse adaptations. If you were to say, hey, this is just a story not based on a book, I'd like it.
[00:04:01] Speaker C: It was 2010.
[00:04:04] Speaker B: There was also, like, that rush, because everyone's like, I want that Harry Potter money. So, hey, let me find a book. Let me throw it on the screen and roll with it. Without realizing, kind of what gave the heart of it was that they stayed true to what the series was. You watched Harry grow up and all that. That's what so far I like about this show is that at least from the get go, we're going for the right age. To me, that was a really big.
[00:04:28] Speaker A: So I will say this. Before I get into my journey of Percy Jackson, I will just defend the movies a little bit because it gave me Kevin McKidd, which, if anyone knows me, I love a ginger. And he played Poseidon, and he had his original accent that you never get to hear on things like Grey's Anatomy. And it was like my second gay awakening after Zac Efron. So we're going to keep that as it is. That's the only thing good about that one. And Logan Lerman, because Logan Lerman is quite fantastic, and we're going to leave it like that.
[00:04:59] Speaker B: I have one thing I will say about the movies, and it's a positive thing. When I was watching it, I don't remember if it was the first or the second one, but he was riding the seahorse, and the graphics were really incredible for the time being. And general, what I was really impressed and enjoyed were when he was using the water type powers. That was just cool.
[00:05:14] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:05:14] Speaker B: I'll note it and say, good job on that.
[00:05:16] Speaker A: I will say that I think that what you're describing, too, is what happened with me with the last airbender. M. Night Shyamalan is I did not watch the tv show before I watched the movie. And I was like, wow, this movie's great. Why does everybody hate it? And then I saw the tv show, and I was like, oh, wait a second.
But my journey with Percy Jackson is a little different because I got the book way back in the day. I was in middle school, and I got it out of scholastic book order because I always got to order one or two books each time because I was a book nerd.
[00:05:46] Speaker C: Did you fill out that little magazine thing every time?
[00:05:50] Speaker A: Every time. And it actually was the original cover, which I don't know if anyone knows this, but the original cover is like a white background. It has like a lightning bolt, and it has like three different monsters on it.
And it says the lightning thief. And I was like, oh, this is cool. I'm going to get it. And I got exactly, like 50 pages in. And I was like, mom, I can't read this. And I got rid of it. And I did not go back for years until I was in high school. And I read the 39 Clues series, which is also began by Rick Reardon, who wrote Percy Jackson. And I was like, wait a second. These books are really good. Why didn't I like Percy Jackson? And so for one of my birthdays, someone had bought me the first five in a box set and I hadn't asked for it. And so I think my mom was just planning, because she had seen I like this author. She had forgotten I got the other one. She bought me this, and I have been addicted ever since. And so it's one of my favorite. Know, it's a little younger than some of the later Harry Potter books, but if anybody's read past the first five, they do grow with you. I mean, there's a ton of books to the.
Yeah.
[00:06:58] Speaker B: Which we expertly have already covered and reviewed. If you go check out on the.
[00:07:01] Speaker C: Website, go read Luna's stuff. We also shout her out on every podcast because she's amazing.
[00:07:06] Speaker A: Yeah. And Vic, he did the first two books of Percy Jackson.
Luna's got some of the later, newer ones that came out. So she's also a big fan of Percy Jackson, and she can't be here with us today. One of these days, maybe we'll get her on a podcast. But she absolutely loves Percy Jackson, and it's one that she has read with her children already, so. Big fans. Big fans.
That being said, it sounds like we did watch the films prior to the, um. So what are our general thoughts on. Oh, go ahead.
[00:07:40] Speaker C: Did you guys rewatch them? But I think that might be the question that you're just going to talk with.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: I've read the books, I watched the movies all last summer or whatever, just kind of over two weeks.
[00:07:52] Speaker A: Did you rewatch them? I love.
[00:07:54] Speaker C: No, but I kind of want to now.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: Really?
I think they're on Max.
[00:08:02] Speaker A: I think the thing that's interesting about the films and why is that they really were watered down stories. They're the premise of the story, but there's just so much watered down because they move so quickly that I think the show is off to a better start or it has better potential because it's the long form here.
[00:08:19] Speaker C: It's always a risk, though, too, though. When you adapt a book, when you adapt something into a movie versus a tv show, you don't necessarily get to spend that much time with the characters. It's like hard figuring out, okay, you're going to adapt this chapter, you're just going to skip this character, this storyline entirely. And it leaves some people disappointed, which I think someone mentioned earlier. It was a really interesting point. I think you mentioned it about Avatar, that you hadn't been a fan of it beforehand, so you thought the movie was really good. It was a great story, right?
[00:08:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:52] Speaker C: And then. Absolutely, you got further into it and like, oh, this is why everyone hates it. There's always, like, true fans, I guess there's always that disappointment.
[00:09:03] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:09:04] Speaker A: And I think that there may be know. Generally, I think that the responses have been positive towards this Percy Jackson adaptation, but I know people like Vic. They really did like the movies. And so I know that's kind of when you read his book reviews, he compares the books to the movies because that was his sounding board for that. So I think it's just interesting on where you began and how you began and then how you compare the show to the rest of them. But speaking of the show, Percy Jackson and the Olympians, what are our general thoughts about this tv show? We are now five episodes in to an eight, or is it ten? I think it's ten.
[00:09:38] Speaker C: I think we're halfway.
[00:09:40] Speaker A: Is it eight? So we're just over halfway through.
Anthony, what are you thinking about this series so far?
[00:09:49] Speaker B: I'm about to break so many hearts.
I like it, but I'm not, like, in love with it.
I know. Remember I was hyping, I was all excited and I was one of the most vocal ones about it. But you know what? That's not necessarily a bad thing.
Okay, tell me more. It's going to be a hard sell on my part, but essentially is kind of think about other shows where that first season was just okay and you liked it. But then as further seasons progressed, they got better and now you're going to be like, why? That mostly happened with comedies. And I'm going to think like the office parks and rec and other ones. I know this is an entirely different genre, but you also have the growing pains of learning with these young actors this first season.
I know Walker's done know on the Adam project, but a whole series, a tv show is completely different from a movie. So not just that, but they get further progression as characters go along.
This is how you start off with Percy. He's thrown into it just as much as you are.
But I think reason why I'm not in love with it is because I'm expecting it to be like a little bit faster and the show is actually breathing and fleshing things out. And I'm a little bored because I move quickly with things. When I got that book, I went through it like that. I read it within 24 to 48 hours I was through with it. And in this show, I feel like it's dragging his feet, but it's because of that weekly release.
So maybe when the whole show comes out, when the whole season comes out and I can go through it, I'll probably love it more than I do now. But as of right now, I'm just entertained.
[00:11:45] Speaker A: You know, what's interesting about that is when I wrote the review, because I got the first three episodes early, I had a very similar feeling with the first episode. And I actually had told my family after that, my review came out and I was talking with them. I said, I understand why they're dropping the first two episodes together because I don't think people would be necessarily engaged with that first episode if they didn't have two of them. Because it really took to the beginning of that second episode midway through to really get an idea of what's going on. Because the first one is what, the first chapter, maybe the first three chapters of the book, it covers a lot, but also not a lot happens in that.
[00:12:26] Speaker B: Correct.
[00:12:27] Speaker A: And what's interesting, too, and granted, it's been a while since I've read the first book, but they also downplayed some of the stuff because the action at the museum in the very beginning of the book, he blacks out in the show. He gets hit in the head. He kind of fades out. They didn't put the effort into that fight. That kind of happens with the teacher, mostly because they wanted the teacher to continue on as a character throughout the series, which was an interesting choice, but it also kind of works out.
But it did kind of slow down. I can see what you mean. I think that when I got to binge watch those first three episodes, it made a difference.
[00:13:02] Speaker C: That's interesting, too, because I think in the books, they spend a lot more time at Yancey. Right. Because there are these conversations where, like, overhears Grover and Chiron. Yeah. Talking about electo. There's all these moments just inside the school, and we don't get that here. But I think the big thing that having the two episode premiere allows us to have is Annabeth. And she's so important to the books, to the. I think, you know, we don't see her in that first episode. I think we meet her right away in the second episode. And I think that's just really important for viewers that they get to have that time with her.
[00:13:43] Speaker B: Establishing those Grover and Annabeth is kind of a huge deal. Yeah, you're right.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: Absolutely. I mean, because the show, as much as it's called Percy Jackson Olympians, this is really a show about the three heroes of Percy, Annabeth, and Grover.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: Same thing with Harry Potter. I mean, it wasn't just him. Hermione and Ron were just as much apart. We know that.
[00:14:05] Speaker A: Sure. Absolutely.
And I think know one of the things I did like about this adaptation is that there is a bigger emphasis on Anna Beth and Grover, which the movies did not, because obviously, you had to speed through the movies, but you do get more time with the personalities of Annabeth and Grover. Specifically for me, I love Annabeth. I think she's fantastic. The actress, leah save a Jeffries. Fantastic.
[00:14:34] Speaker C: Perfect.
[00:14:34] Speaker A: But Grover, oh, my gosh, he is my man.
[00:14:39] Speaker C: Arian Simdry, I think. I'm not totally sure on how to pronounce his.
[00:14:44] Speaker A: Simhadri.
[00:14:45] Speaker C: Simhadri. Yeah, sorry.
[00:14:47] Speaker A: Yes. Simhadri is absolutely, to me, the heart and soul of this entire show, and I would die for Grover, but that is just me.
What are you liking about this?
[00:14:59] Speaker C: I mean, I really think the series is fun. I've been watching it with my daughter, and as we watch it, she just keeps saying, this is so intense. This is so intense.
And I like for her and for me, it's something that holds her attention. She gets sometimes watching longer. Things are a little bit hard for her, and I really appreciate that. She's just totally focused on this and interested. So that's, like, the high level parent perspective on it. I think it's just a really well done show. Overall, I think it looks great.
It does, right? It's amazing. The VFX, all of that. I can't believe this is tv, right? Because I'm still in the world of Xena and Hercules from years ago, and it doesn't look anything like that. It looks better.
[00:15:45] Speaker A: Not just television. We are in the era of Marvel television and Marvel tv shows, and, like, for a children's show, this is really good.
[00:15:57] Speaker C: Yeah. And I know they had.
They didn't have a huge, amazing budget. Right. They had to make changes. There was, like, the dude with the eyes. I'm totally blanking on his name. That was going to be Tyson. No, there was, like, the security guy from the camps, and he was, like, in the books described as being totally covered in.
[00:16:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:19] Speaker C: And the show talked about having him in it when it was first announced, but then they were like, no, we couldn't show that because having a dude covered in eyes would just be, like, prohibitively well. Yeah, and prohibitively expensive for VFX and just in general. But I just think it looks really good. The music is great. Baron Fury's score has done outlander and all sorts of other things.
It reminds me of Marvel in some ways. It's just like that queue up. It's really good. And I actually also really love the title sequences. I guess the end title sequences. Yes, they're beautiful.
We've talked about all the story elements, the character elements, but there's just these little flourishes and finishing touches that make it amazing.
[00:17:02] Speaker B: You mentioned that. And it made me think of something from this week's episode.
When they're going through Hevesta's story, the manner of using the old style of the, you know, vase, whatever that art going across, like, utilizing and respecting the source of the culture, like, that's incredible. It made me think of the animated Hercules movie when they're telling the story in the beginning, and I mean, come on, Disney, that's one of yours.
[00:17:33] Speaker C: I was totally not expecting, by the way, to have that along to what is love? And they even had the vase dudes, like, bumping their heads from the SNL skip that just made me so happy.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: From the movie Roxbury.
[00:17:48] Speaker C: I think it was an SNL skip beforehand, but that was many years ago.
[00:17:51] Speaker B: Of course. Yeah. That was not there 30 years ago.
Sorry. I was going to say will Ferrell. He was in SNL a longer time ago.
[00:18:03] Speaker A: Anthony, what are you liking about the show?
[00:18:06] Speaker B: Oh, she just mentioned the music.
It's spot on. Like I was saying earlier, the sets are fantastic. I really love riptide, man. And seeing that sword in its actual glory is great.
Grover's legs actually being like, legs, because I rewatched episode five a couple of hours ago when I woke up and I hadn't paid full attention. But when I'm seeing him walk on the bridge, you can actually see the skinny legs underneath and the outline, just the little details making it look good, but not overdone.
Really enjoyed episode four, that finale of how he came out of the.
I'm not from that state. I don't know that area. What are they called?
[00:18:52] Speaker C: What is the river in St. Louis? I don't know either.
[00:18:55] Speaker B: The St. Louis Arch. The arch.
[00:18:58] Speaker A: No, that's not the arctic triumph.
[00:19:00] Speaker C: You know what it is? It's called, like, the St. Louis.
[00:19:03] Speaker B: It's the St. Louis Arch. It just took me a minute to click.
[00:19:06] Speaker C: It's the Mississippi river. Sorry.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: Yeah, but the arch itself, like, that explosion, how they actually left it looking after the fact, and how they yanked percy with the water into, like. Those effects are just great overall for a series, man. They're going to do great. And what excites me is knowing that they've already put in some of this work. When season two comes in, they can use some of that budget towards introducing new.
Just very happy. The gateway arch.
[00:19:35] Speaker C: Yeah, I just looked it up. Gateway Arch.
[00:19:37] Speaker B: I apologize to anyone from that region.
I'm just a Texas boy who don't know.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: You know, one of the things I do love about the show, too, is that they made some changes, but the changes were actually to make improvements upon the original material. And the fact that they brought in Rick Reardon to know such a big part of this, and he helped write some of these episodes, especially the first two.
I know that he's even mentioned in some interviews about the changes he made to Medusa. And I thought that was one of the most beautiful episodes I've ever watched of television, where they actually gave Medusa her due instead of being this horrible monster. Don't get me wrong. Uma Thurman in the original love Uma Thurman, but she's a monster. But this one made her compassionate. And I think that is really brilliant that they brought in the creator, but not in a way of JK Rowling writing the cursed child and things like that, but really trying to enhance, but also step back and be like working with Jonathan Steinberg and trying to make this such a better story and adapt it to a television and changing some of the think. I think that part has been really brilliant.
[00:20:52] Speaker C: Am. So I interviewed the showrunners at Comic Con and they talked about what a big thing it was to become part of this family. And the reardons to them, this show is their children. It's so connected with their family.
Percy Jackson, I'm sorry. Percy Jackson is like their babies.
[00:21:13] Speaker B: Wasn't it yielded from telling bedtime stories to his mean?
[00:21:16] Speaker C: It's something like that. I don't remember exactly how, but the fact that he came back after his criticisms of the movies, after the problems he had with the movies and creative processes, and they were willing to give this another try and it's turned out very well. I think that just speaks very highly of everyone involved.
And I think I'm just glad we didn't lose that chance and lose those.
[00:21:43] Speaker B: Stories even through production. Remember, he was constantly tweeting, saying, we're doing this. We're excited. We've got the cast locked in. We're going to tell you in a few days. I've been walking around. They've been taking my notes. It's good to hear that they've been very cooperative with him. He deserves it.
This has the absolute potential to be huge, and I'm going to make a huge prediction now. But I don't see them stopping with the series. They'll probably pull a mandalorian and grogu and go a couple of seasons and then throw a movie up on the big screen. These kids deserve it. They're doing a great job.
[00:22:19] Speaker C: The biggest problem with, so they've talked about further seasons, right. And adapting further books. But the biggest problem with all of that is kind of a practical one because you're dealing with children and children age, it's just life. So you can even kind of see it a little bit in the series as the episodes, as they go on.
[00:22:39] Speaker B: Voice changes, they're subtle, but you can hear them.
[00:22:43] Speaker C: Yeah. So I think, I'm sure they can figure it out, but it's a thing.
Sorry, go ahead.
[00:22:51] Speaker A: No, go ahead.
[00:22:52] Speaker C: I watch Paw Patrol a lot, and I've watched a lot of paw patrol. I think I mentioned that before. And they're always changing the voice actors because they're kid voice actors in many cases. And then when the kids get older, their voices change. So they have to go back to someone with a younger voice.
[00:23:09] Speaker B: That's good insight. Yeah.
[00:23:11] Speaker A: I think that even if you look at the premiere, if you see them at the premiere, those three actors, they're like many adults now.
They're big children.
I think there's a reality you could do this. And I think part of it has to do with how you adapt the story and you have more time pass. And the part of me wonders how they're going to do this too with Harry Potter when it's becoming a series, they're going to get kids, they want to get eleven year olds. And so if you're not putting out a television show every single year, you're going to run into this problem too. But I do think there's a reality they can do it.
I think that you're going to start to see that instead of having a story every year in the world, you're going to have to start telling it a little differently and spreading it out. But I hope they do more.
[00:24:00] Speaker B: Another thing is they always had that summer break. Who's to say that he doesn't just continue adventures through the summer?
I know it's kind of a crazy play, but hey, that's been done.
[00:24:12] Speaker C: You know, it's interesting, too that I think that was part of why they had gone with Logan Lerman. Right, because he was older and you could have had more stories technically with him if they had decided to go that way because of his don't like this isn't going to be a Paul Rudd and clueless situation. I think they're going to figure a way out. And he was a teenager in that movie. He's always looked young.
[00:24:39] Speaker A: So what are you thinking? Are you thinking that they're not going to adapt all five books?
[00:24:44] Speaker C: No, I think they totally are. And I think they're going to do it more rapidly than we expect. With streaming, we've come to expect like two years between shows or three years. But for network tv, it was always, okay, you have a new season every single. I think, you know, that might be what we see here and they might shoot things back to back.
[00:25:02] Speaker A: It makes me think too of know everyone made a big deal about Marvel adapting now to being television shows. But we all know that this is actually a part of the different contracts from the different strikes. I think that you're going to again start to see things like that where shows are going to be adapted a lot quicker. You're going to have one a year, especially with this one, especially as you start to expand. I mean, you have the heroes of olympus after this you have the Norris God ones. That's part of this. If they can get the rights to the egyptian God ones, because I know that Netflix has those right now, and they were going to make movies and they never did. Netflix needs to let them go. You have such a big world, and you can continue to do these really big things. You now have books where Percy's going to college.
It's so expansive, and the story continues to grow. And I think that a story that began because he was trying to help his daughter, who was dyslexic and feeling bad about it, I think is adapted, is growing into something bigger. And I think there is a reality. And I think you're right. It's changing with the way streaming is changing and that streaming is becoming more like television because we're all cyclical in our growth.
[00:26:06] Speaker C: I think it makes it easier to gain fans that way, too. If you have, you can kind of plan on having something, you kind of know when it's going to be on. And it also isn't so long between seasons, so you forget everything that happened unless you're an absolutely rabid, like, I really like shadow and bum, and they're based off of a bunch of books by Leigh Bardugo. And I don't remember if it was like three years between season one of the show and season two, or like four years.
It is a long time. And I didn't remember anything that happened in season one, even though I had read the books and stuff before season two came out. And I don't think we'll have this situation with Percy Jackson. I think we're going know rapidly be near the next season. And when I talked to the showrunners and everybody at New York Comic Con, they said, as said, you know, we haven't gotten officially greenlit by Disney, but we've got everything in place.
[00:27:00] Speaker B: Right.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: So does that mean technically that they are, quote unquote, writing behind, like they already have episodes starting to be written behind the scenes without saying things?
[00:27:08] Speaker C: I mean, I think they're already written. Yeah.
[00:27:11] Speaker A: Okay. That's dope.
[00:27:13] Speaker C: That's not uncommon. Right.
They bank scripts often.
[00:27:18] Speaker A: Sure. Again, with this kind of series, you have to. I feel like even I won't say it, but I have a feeling that some people were writing during the strikes and they can say what they want.
[00:27:30] Speaker C: I don't agree with you there.
[00:27:32] Speaker A: Really?
[00:27:33] Speaker C: Yeah. So there's the designation maybe if they were producing things, but I think that most of the people, I would say, actually, everybody in the WGA took it really seriously.
And as they should, I don't think they were writing very strikes.
[00:27:49] Speaker A: Wow. So you don't think that there's people in their basements with, like, soundproof boxes that were just writing for their own pleasure, to make sure that they were keeping up with things that they wanted?
[00:27:57] Speaker C: No, because they're not being paid, and that's part of it. Even if you love something like that, you should be paid for your work. And the studios don't deserve to have your work for free.
[00:28:10] Speaker B: You have your worth, man. You know this more than.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: Oh, don't get me started. Okay.
[00:28:17] Speaker C: Can we. Agent Carter here.
[00:28:22] Speaker A: So what do we think of the friendship between our three heroes? How are we feeling about their interactions? Do we like it? Do we think there needs to be changes? Do we like the growth? What are we feeling? You love it.
[00:28:34] Speaker B: I love it. Because that's the thing.
It's not real life that you just meet someone, shake their hand, and immediately become best friends, and everything is fantastic. You have to have those struggles that they're currently having to strengthen the friendship. Look at this last episode.
Percy proved himself far beyond any words could ever do by actually showing up and doing and saying, hey, look, I'm going to do this because this is the right thing, and I need you to do that because I picked you for that reason.
[00:29:01] Speaker A: Prove me know. In this last episode, there was a part with that where it actually broke my heart, where Annabeth. I forget what she says or how she says it, but something paraphrasing along the lines of, what, are you going to shove me behind the door again? And that hurt real bad. And I was like, man, this really shows you how much these kids have grown to like each other. Or even the part where ambess is like, careful there. Or I think you say, we're becoming friends, and I'm just like, damn.
[00:29:32] Speaker C: Their interactions are so I think we've been able to see kind of the arc of their friendship really well. So seen. We didn't see Grover and Percy's first meeting because they had already met at Nancy Academy. That was already established. But we did see what Percy thought, and what we all thought was Grover's betrayal, which was really Grover being a seder and protecting Percy. And I think that was forgiven. But always, in the back of Percy's mind, the relationship with Annabeth is slightly different. And we've seen Percy and Annabeth earn that relationship and earn that. Like, we. I think we hit the moment that their friendship is at the high point in this episode, right with with Hephaestus and Annabeth saying that Percy is good, I want to be good, too. I maybe used to be good. And then all these terrible people at camp half blood and all these terrible gods just seeking glory got to me. I don't want to be like that anymore.
And I think it's been really fun to see develop over the episode two through now. And I really can't wait to see what's in store for the rest of their friendship. I mean, I don't know the books, but it's still exciting.
[00:30:48] Speaker A: Spoiler alert. We all know where this is headed.
[00:30:53] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:30:53] Speaker A: And everyone that thinks that's Grover and Annabeth are getting, oh, this is not a Harry Hermione kind of thing.
[00:31:01] Speaker C: Who? No.
[00:31:04] Speaker A: Harry and Hermione, everyone thought that they were getting together in Harry Potter, and then that didn't turn out to be a thing. But Annabeth and Grover, not a thing. This is Percy and Annabeth. Come on, guys. But no, literally. I love the fact that they did not start off as friends. I feel like we try to get those.
I think we see a lot in kids books of, like, we become best friends from the beginning and we just stay together and. No, they actually earned this. I think it's even better than the books. Again, I haven't read the original books in a while, but I remember there being a lot of Kumbaya very early on, and then there was, like, some betrayals came on.
[00:31:43] Speaker B: Are you sure about that? Because in the books, she kind of whooped his ass once or twice.
[00:31:48] Speaker A: Okay. No, but I'm saying. But that happened, and then they trust each other.
[00:31:54] Speaker B: Yeah. I'd say it's on par, but the show actually made it good.
I don't mean to say that in the worst way, but it made it really earned.
[00:32:08] Speaker A: And again, I think this goes back to having Reardon part of this and developing and taking things like Medusa's story. And I heard, and I don't know if it's true, I know it's going to be the next episode, but I heard that the hotel scene is done a lot differently.
[00:32:22] Speaker C: The casino, the lotus eaters in Vegas. Yeah.
[00:32:26] Speaker A: And they changed those because he realized after all these years that it wasn't the way he wanted and it felt wrong or it felt different and he wanted to do it differently. And so to see these changes and have him being a part of it and saying, okay, these are how the characters should develop and getting to know them. And I think that it's been really exciting to see these three kids become friends.
[00:32:49] Speaker C: I think when you said that, when you made the point that it's not something you always see in children's stuff. That's completely true. And I think it's something we're more used to in grownup shows. Right. We can see partners in a detective.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: Show, but earnings, for example.
[00:33:07] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. That's a perfect example of it. They didn't start out as friends. They were at opposite ends. And through the series, they became spoilers for Loki.
[00:33:19] Speaker B: But then the acquaintances, then friends, then really good friends. It's not like then lovers right.
[00:33:27] Speaker C: Into the sunset.
[00:33:29] Speaker B: Jet skiing into the sunset.
Yeah, exactly.
There were steps to it. First she sees him. Whoa, he's one of the big three kids. Hell, no.
You are my enemy. Nothing to do with you. And then there's, like, this level of respect, like, oh, okay. You know how to defend yourself. You have that optimism, courage, and the willpower which a lot of people don't even exhibit amongst these elite group of children. And then even further shocking her, he makes the decision when he could pick anybody in the camp, he goes, I want you.
[00:34:08] Speaker C: And that's different than the books, right? Because in the books, he doesn't pick her.
[00:34:12] Speaker B: He doesn't pick for him.
[00:34:15] Speaker C: It's interesting, too, how in the beginning, we see her totally willing to use him.
She watches every new person come into camp, and she watched him because she wants to go on this quest, because she wants to get the glory and make her mom love her. All this other stuff, but she's just totally willing to use him. And that changes as their friendship grows and it becomes more about their goals together instead of just her getting out.
[00:34:43] Speaker B: Yeah. And look at the opportunity Hephaestus her, like, saying, hey, you want to make your mama love you? Screw this guy.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: Get out of here.
[00:34:54] Speaker B: Go.
[00:34:55] Speaker A: Right. You bring up another point about another change from the book, is that in the books, they have the oracle who makes all the decisions, and there is an actual change of oracle as they go through the book series, but it's all prophesized, and so none of them really question it, because that is how greek gods is done. But what this really presents, which I loved in this last episode, they talk about it, is that it presents this big battle between prophesized and free will, and Percy's on the side of I can change anything. And then we have Anapathy's on the side of, everything is going to happen exactly the way it's supposed to because it needs to. And I think that adds another layer specifically for the adults watching this, because I don't know if the kids watching this are going to catch on to that quite so much, but that is just another layer for those who grew up reading the books, maybe some of us who are listening. And again, I read these in high school. You're going to have an extra layer of like, oh, this is an extra dilemma and extra, we know something else for us to eat and to chew on and to give these characters some extra depth. And I think that's really kind of awesome.
So who stands out in this series? And I'm going to start with this one. That's okay, too, because Aries.
I love Aries. I did not know if this man was going to be a good actor. He was a wrestler. We have the rock, and we have John Cena, who are not necessarily great actors.
[00:36:20] Speaker C: Do not insult mermaid Barbie.
[00:36:23] Speaker A: Okay, I'll insult peacemaker. Fuck that show.
[00:36:29] Speaker C: Do we need to do the dance? I feel like we need to do.
[00:36:33] Speaker A: The whatever his name is.
[00:36:35] Speaker C: He plays Ed Adam Copeland.
[00:36:39] Speaker A: Adam Copeland. He is one of the best people in this show, hands down. And this is a show that has people like Jessica Parker Kennedy, Megan Malali, Jason Mentazukas.
[00:36:53] Speaker C: Yes, we have Lyn Manuel Miranda.
[00:36:56] Speaker A: Hey, listen, we love Manuel Miranda, but he is not a great actor.
Timothy Omanson from Psych. Yes, we have tons of great people. And I think that Ares might be my favorite. And it was one episode, but I was just like, not only was he hilarious, he was actually a good actor. I looked at this man's acting credits. He does not have a notable movie to his name. Really. Why is he not in more stuff?
[00:37:27] Speaker C: I think it's going to change.
[00:37:29] Speaker A: It has to. I think they need a whole spinoff series of Aries. I'm sold a prequel.
[00:37:35] Speaker C: I want to see the prequel. And I know there are some people talking about it online about his life and all that. I would totally watch that because he was just freaking fantastic.
[00:37:45] Speaker A: Absolutely.
What is a standout character or actor or who is a standout person for you for this series is.
[00:38:00] Speaker C: Really, really, and I'm so happy you mentioned I really, really love.
I like Psych is one of my favorite shows in the entire universe. And he is detective Lasseter in know. He. He had a lot of health challenges. He had Lassie.
He had a know. He's come back to that with some physical issues. And I loved that the show kind of embraced that and embraced just everything that was Hephaestus. Because Hephaestus in the books, too, was described as just like this terrible.
I don't even have the words for how he was described in the book, but he had some very big challenges. And I love that they kind of accepted that, leaned into it and also showed how much Hephaestus was hurt and how much Hephaestus had kind of gone through in this trial between Ares and Aphrodite and all that, like the softer human side of the gods. And I just love that they picked Timothy. And for that, I didn't know he.
[00:39:02] Speaker A: Had a stroke in real life. I thought that because usually asbestos has some form of bad know. I think it's from his father being injured. So I thought that was just like a.
[00:39:15] Speaker C: No, the actor had like, he almost died. I think he was like a very.
[00:39:19] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh, he sold that part. Hesbestus, for some reason, has always been one of my favorite characters in the greek mythology. I think just because this idea of being in love with someone, you love someone so much, and then you also just have to see them be in love with someone else is so heartbreaking. And I think that from a very young age, I felt that for some reason, I don't know why, hashtag being gay at a young age.
But he was really good and this episode was very touching to see him. I think that I would rather have had him in a different episode so he wasn't outshined by Aries, but he was fantastic. Asbestos.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: Picked my two. Okay. I liked Gabe.
You really needed a big pos. And the guy, Petraini is doing a great job.
[00:40:07] Speaker C: Gabe Ugliano or however name Gabe Ugliano.
[00:40:12] Speaker B: Can'T beat.
[00:40:15] Speaker A: Mean, but we really, truly, they got some great actors lined up for the.
Yes. Linmoel Miranda is going to be a big one for the. I saw the behind the scenes shots. He looks like he is Lin Moel Miranda just playing Lin Moel Miranda. So I am keeping. I love him, don't get me wrong. I would see him in everything. I would have saw him in Hamilton.
Lance Reddick rip for Zeus. He is going to be a big heavy hitter. Toby Stevens as, I mean, we have some serious big names still coming up.
[00:40:50] Speaker C: And we haven't seen them yet when they're at the last three episodes. So we'll be very.
[00:40:56] Speaker A: Oh, and Jay Duplus as. Sorry, sorry, Jay.
[00:41:01] Speaker B: That's the one I'm most excited about because he's not a standout actor, but I've seen him in a few things and he'll show up and get the job done. But he's not been in a whole lot.
[00:41:14] Speaker A: His brother is even like, a bigger, like.
[00:41:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
From the league.
[00:41:21] Speaker A: Yeah. He was also on Celebrity Jeffrey. That's where I know him from. So I think he actually won. I could be.
[00:41:31] Speaker C: I.
[00:41:32] Speaker A: So I'm really excited for what's lined up. I think we have a really good three last episodes.
Someone that's not on the list, which is interesting. I don't know if they cut the part or not, but we should be seeing Hades'wife. And she's. Yeah, she's not on the list of known actors, so that's interesting.
But she has big shoes to fill because we had Rosario Dawson in. The.
[00:42:03] Speaker B: One thing I'm interested, though, that they haven't mentioned at all yet is big spoiler, but everybody knows at the end that Dahlia comes back. Are they going to do that? Are they going to accelerate that and make that the big hop? Maybe post credit scene or mid credit scene at the end of that last episode? What do you guys think?
[00:42:24] Speaker A: I thought she didn't come back to book three. Right.
[00:42:27] Speaker B: I understand that, but for the sake of timing and the youth and that conversation we had earlier of how they're going to move things along, do you foresee a possibility?
[00:42:35] Speaker C: I think they're going to wait or.
[00:42:37] Speaker B: Maybe just do it somewhere in second.
[00:42:38] Speaker C: Season or third season. Knock on Wood.
[00:42:42] Speaker A: I think that the end of the first season post credit scene is going to be the casket, and they're going to tease the casket, and I think that's really going to change quite a bit.
[00:42:57] Speaker B: That's a good one. I didn't think about that because they.
[00:42:59] Speaker A: Need a big bad that's going to connect it all now. And this story is very going to be self contained for the first book, and I think that by introducing the casket and seeing it maybe start to come to life is really going to change. People are going to wonder what's going on.
[00:43:14] Speaker B: What is that? Got to go read that book. Yeah.
[00:43:19] Speaker C: They haven't been subtle about mentioning Thalia and what happens.
Yeah, they've definitely been leaving these very huge, Titan sized breadcrumbs for us to follow eventually.
[00:43:34] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:43:35] Speaker A: Absolutely. And speaking of possible changes, what do you think is going on with Sally? Are they going to save her? Do you think they're going to make any changes? I hope that they don't kill Sally because that would be heartbreaking. But there's been a lot of know and granted that's what the first book's about, is going to save his mom. But what do we think is going on?
[00:43:53] Speaker B: I wouldn't say they kill her, but he might put her in some weird purgatory to really annoy Percy and make him go through tasks like Hercules.
[00:44:01] Speaker C: Okay. I think she'll always be a risk to Percy as long as she's alive, but that's okay.
I hope they don't kill her.
[00:44:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:10] Speaker A: I will say this. In the books, she ends up leaving the stepfather and becomes, in her own right, very powerful. And I hope that they embrace that and just make her very powerful and she deserves mean from whatever.
[00:44:27] Speaker B: Remember, I think she gets with another guy who's actually decent to her. Yes. And Percy meets her and he's very happy because she's finally living a decent life and she's not struggling for her.
[00:44:40] Speaker C: I think they teased it a little bit because how she is with Gabe in the early episode is very different than how she is or how he is, rather, in the book. He's, I think, much more abusive, much more very forceful with her. And she has a lot more agency in this one. She pushes back, she puts him in his place a little bit with the sandwiches, and you can kind of see know. And I'll credit to the actor and what he brought to this, like, cowering a little bit, know, responding to her standing up for herself. So I thought that was really lovely to see, especially message wise.
[00:45:18] Speaker A: Absolutely. Speaking of messages of Percy Jackson Olympians, this show deals with a lot about grief. And I know, Isla, that you wanted to touch on this because this was really important to you.
[00:45:28] Speaker C: I just was messing with you.
[00:45:32] Speaker A: Now we're going to talk about it.
[00:45:34] Speaker C: Well, we've know so many things boil down to grief, and you've written these amazing articles. Go read him. He's the cosmic psychologist about grief. And I think the Wonka article is out. Is not yet, no. Okay, so Brian has a Wonka article coming out. You should read it when it comes out.
[00:45:51] Speaker A: It might be out by the time this comes out. So you know what, Lizzie? If it is, keep this. If it isn't, keep the sin. If it is, keep it.
Yeah. So that one's actually to do with motivation, but part of that is grief. And if you want to talk about grief in here, I think that there's a really interesting dynamic of grief in the fact that I think that every child that is at camp half blood is dealing with grief in a different way. And that's the grief of having an absent parent.
And a lot of them just don't.
People think of grief as grief has to be loss. You're losing someone. But grief also has to be like, when someone's still around but they're not there, you have to go through that process. You have to overcome that loss. And this show does a really good job of showing that you have Annabeth, who is trying her hardest to prove to her mother.
And you initially have Percy, who doesn't necessarily care about his father, but now he seems to have something to kind of prove.
And you're going to see. Spoiler alert, Luke, you're going to see his story and how he becomes a villain because of his grief of being left out and not being seen. And, like, all of these kids, they're so broken and they're so.
And Rick Reardon did a really good job of that in the books. And I think that it transferred really well to the show that there are all grieving in different ways and there's loss. And Percy, who's lost his mom but then has a chance to get her back, and he's going literally to the ends of the earth and to hell to get her and to find this lightning bolt and to stop a war, all because he wants his mother back. And I think that any one of us has someone in our life that we would go to the ends of the earth to save. And so it's interesting when you can take such a human concept and place it in such a big, magical world. Yeah.
[00:47:46] Speaker C: When you think about it, there's a lot of emphasis as they're doing the world building, talking about camp half blood and all this.
You know, the kids are just kind of in this cabin with Hermes as kids, if they're unclaimed. And that's just, like, such a harsh thing to think of, these unclaimed children. And I just feel that has got.
[00:48:06] Speaker B: To be the most worst feeling of rejection. Sorry, I don't want you. So go pretend to be someone else's kid until, if I feel like it.
[00:48:18] Speaker C: You honor me.
[00:48:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I might say you're mine.
I know. I have blue eyes and blonde hair, and I control water. What the hell else do you want?
[00:48:29] Speaker A: And that's a great point, that all of these kids, and later on in the books, you actually get more cabins. One of the cabins is for Zeus's first wife, and she's the goddess of hearth.
[00:48:42] Speaker C: Not Hera, right?
[00:48:44] Speaker A: No, not Hera. But anyways, she can't have children.
Hectate, isn't it? Hectate.
[00:48:53] Speaker C: That's to be right.
[00:48:56] Speaker A: But there's one of the cabins where she can't have children, and so there's just, like, this empty cabin that they go to. And it's just like Demeter Medis. Is her name Metis? That's not the one I'm thinking of.
There's a different one, but there's a.
[00:49:15] Speaker B: History major listening in on this and just going.
And what's worse is one of my friends.
No, is it man? And we're probably butchering some of these names too. I have a friend who's a history major and I'm like, I'm not going to tell him to listen to this podcast.
[00:49:34] Speaker A: The virgin goddess of the hearth and home. So she can't have kids. And there's a whole part that has to deal with her. And so it's very interesting to deal with that, of her grief of not being able to have children, but also not being respected because of that. And I think that the show is, there's so much room to explore this, but they deal a really good job with the grief.
There's a few different layers here of grief and it seems like a lot of things deal with grief right now. But I think it's such a universal concept that everybody's kind of going through as we went through a pandemic together, we've lost people, we've lost our sense of being normal and what normal life is and having to find a new coming together. I mean, that's what brought us together. Half of us probably wouldn't even be writing for the website if it wasn't for the fact that we were all stuck in our house and bored and we built a.
So everything that is different and changing is a grief.
You know, Anthony, you moving, you're going to grieve. And that's totally normal. And you see these kids do it and I think it makes it a little more like if these kids can do it and continue on, maybe so can I. So I think that there's some hope to that too.
[00:50:42] Speaker C: I think that was all excellently said.
[00:50:44] Speaker A: Thank you. I will have a cosmic psychologist podcast coming soon. No?
[00:50:49] Speaker C: I hope so.
[00:50:51] Speaker A: Do we have a favorite monster? Is there a favorite monster that we have? What is the one from the arc?
[00:50:58] Speaker C: The arch, the chimera.
[00:51:01] Speaker A: That was so beautiful. The VFX on that.
How is this a budget of twelve to 15 per episode? I do not know.
[00:51:09] Speaker C: It's mind blowing. It just looks so good. And again, I think of the VFX from Xena and Hercules. How bad that looked.
It was ninety s, right. But still, I love that we both.
[00:51:22] Speaker B: Grew up on that because I totally watched that.
I've had a crush on Lucy Lawless for the longest time. And I'm going to make a weird connection here. But funny thing is, Megan Malali is in this show. She is married to Nick Offerman.
And Nick Offerman in Parks and rec was married to Lucy Lawless in that show.
[00:51:43] Speaker A: And wife was Megan Maloli in that.
[00:51:46] Speaker B: Show, but it's his actual wife since 2003. They've been married for 20 plus years. I know, but I love that because I'm like, why the hell did you all not cast Nick for anything? I'm sorry. There could have been something, anything he could have done. And that's what I was thinking. There's got to be some other gods that haven't been introduced. I'm like, they have to put them in there somewhere because that'd be.
[00:52:07] Speaker A: Oh, who would you cast them as? Quick switch of the.
[00:52:11] Speaker B: No, no, I don't have that.
Have.
[00:52:20] Speaker A: Been a. You know what? I'm funny. He would have been a good asbestos because he's a craftsman. Missed opportunity.
[00:52:25] Speaker C: I think he would have been Dionysus.
[00:52:28] Speaker B: Oh, he would have been a funny one, too, because he can be super serious. But then absolutely at the same time, be comedic. Yeah.
[00:52:35] Speaker A: Okay. Favorite monsters, guys. Favorite monsters.
[00:52:39] Speaker B: Minotaur. I mean, classic, simple. It looks good. It's right from the get go.
[00:52:44] Speaker A: Still beautiful, too. They did a great job.
[00:52:47] Speaker B: All of them look great. But I mean, personal.
[00:52:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:53] Speaker C: Is she a monster? Is she not a monster? I think that. Yeah, exactly.
[00:52:57] Speaker B: But that's the thing. That's exactly the question. And that's what I changed my mind. Right. I want both. I can't have it all.
[00:53:04] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:53:04] Speaker A: Because I think it depends on if you look at her as a monster or not. And I didn't. And so I think I didn't count her. I didn't even think of it.
[00:53:11] Speaker C: I mean, that's the thing. That's the beauty of that episode. Right? It made you sympathize with a woman who.
Exactly. And that's not an easy feat.
[00:53:22] Speaker B: Another thing I liked from the revelation of that episode, also with Aries in last week's episode, is how they say, hey, look, as much as you view them as gods, they can be some real.
They're. They. They ignore you. They actively conspire against you.
[00:53:42] Speaker C: They go to war.
[00:53:43] Speaker B: They go to war. They ignore things.
Seeing Aries repeat that after having Medusa said it a couple episodes back was really nice because he's a God himself, and he's even, hey, hey, let me be real about this. We're not, like, the best people around, and you already learned that. But getting that confirmation from one of them is like, yeah, I have a bad feeling about how we're going to proceed with these gods as time moves forward.
[00:54:10] Speaker C: Do you know my favorite moment since we all love Aries? Like, my favorite moment, Aries, and Grover is where saying, no, no, I'm such a big fan. And he cites the lobster war among the greatest. And that was like, a real thing. And I just thought, like, okay, Grover.
[00:54:24] Speaker B: I really liked your subtle, know, World War II is great and everything, but, like, that other one.
But my favorite part was when Aries just slapped his hand down because Grover's telling, you know, everybody thinks Athena's so smart, and there's just that pause and you're like, uh oh, he's going to lose this shit. Thank you. She's always talking to that damn owl. And I couldn't stop laughing when he mentioned the owl because I totally forgot about that. But that was really funny.
[00:54:50] Speaker C: And the french fries.
[00:54:53] Speaker A: So good. It was such a great episode. But no, if we're counting Medusa, she is my favorite villain because they did a great job. And everybody who talked shit about Jessica Parker Kennedy on the Flash series, eat your heart out, this is it. This is it. She proved herself.
So, we are starting to run out of a little bit of time, but we have a few more questions when I hit to. And we also have a cool activity that I'd like to do before we wrap on up.
Let's see, where do we go from here? Let's talk about the fates. So we saw the fates in episode five.
[00:55:34] Speaker C: They showed up.
[00:55:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And they were a little different than I remember them in the books, but they were, like, not as great, not as crazy.
[00:55:41] Speaker B: No.
[00:55:41] Speaker A: Sitting there.
[00:55:42] Speaker B: They got it. I mean, the general idea, ladies.
[00:55:46] Speaker C: Well, Percy didn't see them, which was interesting.
[00:55:48] Speaker B: No, he wasn't there.
Yeah.
[00:55:52] Speaker A: But this storyline, I believe, in addition, a little bit of an addition, it's a little more emphasized where they're kind of prophesizing someone's going to die. And that ties into what we talk about. What do we think of them? Maybe, are they villains in a different way? Are they not because they're just trying to tell a story? They were a little creepy. And I don't know if that's just because the one is from series unfortunate events where she played a villain. So I was a little bit freaked out. But what do we think of these fates?
[00:56:21] Speaker C: I'm going to jump in, because the fates are one of my favorite, favorite things in greek mythology. So much so that I have art in my house of these old ladies doing it, not from Percy Jackson, but spinning and snipping threads. So I just really loved seeing them and I thought it was very interesting how Annabeth was the one who saw them, because I think it was different than the books at first. And I don't know, I think someone's going to die, but it's mythology and you can go to Hades and retrieve people.
[00:56:51] Speaker A: Absolutely. And they do that a few times in the books. Hades is a frequent flyer mile stoppage place, whatever you call it. A frequent stop.
[00:56:59] Speaker B: The underworld.
[00:57:01] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.
What about you, Anthony? What are your thoughts on seeing the fates?
[00:57:06] Speaker B: Standard greek fare.
[00:57:08] Speaker A: Standard.
[00:57:09] Speaker B: Okay.
The fates appear. I mean, they're a constant. They're the Nick Fury of greek mythology.
[00:57:17] Speaker C: All connected.
[00:57:19] Speaker A: And then one last question before we do our fun activity. If you have read the books or seen the movies, do we think that this book series, I mean, this tv series, is going to stay true to who stole the bolt? Or do you think they're going to change it to try to trip people up? I didn't even think of this, Ayla, until you posed this question. And then I was like, is that something that they would do? And now that's all I can think about this entire episode.
[00:57:45] Speaker B: At best, they give us a switch up, making us think that for a moment, but then they stick with it.
[00:57:50] Speaker C: They're hinting at it so strong, like with the shoes, and Luke giving the shoes to the questers. I don't know.
I don't trust that they won't switch it up, but I think it might be the same.
[00:58:07] Speaker A: If they're going to switch it, who do you think it's going to be? Isla?
[00:58:09] Speaker C: Oh, I don't know. I honestly have no idea.
[00:58:13] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:58:16] Speaker C: Cassandra? No.
[00:58:17] Speaker B: Clarissa Larue.
[00:58:18] Speaker C: Clarissa, yeah. Sorry. Clarice.
[00:58:20] Speaker A: Clarice?
[00:58:21] Speaker B: Clarice. I thought it was Clarice Larue.
[00:58:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:24] Speaker B: That also feels too on the nose.
[00:58:27] Speaker A: Too on the nose. I'm wondering if it's going to be one of the gods.
[00:58:33] Speaker B: I like that.
Yeah, that's a good one.
[00:58:37] Speaker C: Aries. Technically, yeah.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: Yes, it was, but. Right, well, here's the thing. Another reason why I think they're just going to stick with it, but give, like a fake. That's what I'm saying. Like a fake, like a trick play or something, is because he looks at Grover and says, look, you and I both know he didn't steal that. And then Grover's like, what happens when you tell him you caught the thief and then even Aries was like, hold on. How do you know who the thief is? Because Aries clearly knows. He just doesn't want to give it away too much. But he's not as clever as he thinks. There's body language that's sold in that episode.
[00:59:17] Speaker A: Are we going to find out in the next episode who? Grover? Because if Grover knows, it's probably right. And he says at the end of the episode, he says, I know who stole the lightning bolt. I don't know. I feel like it was something they were going to hide to the end. But it would be interesting instead if we got a part of the show from the perspective of that storyline. Do you know what mean?
Like a flashback into episode seven. Disney loves a flashback and episode the second to last episode.
[00:59:47] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:59:49] Speaker A: All right, guys, are you ready for our test?
[00:59:52] Speaker B: Let's do it.
[00:59:54] Speaker C: So do you want to explain what the test is?
[00:59:56] Speaker A: Absolutely. So one of the questions listeners that I had posed is what cabin we would be in if we were at Camp half blood. Anthony found a quiz. So we're going to find out and we're going to see if we all agree with it and you're going to listen to us do this because you're here for the ride and we appreciate that.
So I'm thinking what I'm going to do is I'm going to read the question and then we're going to choose. Does everyone want to say their answers or do you just want to choose and move on?
[01:00:22] Speaker B: We'll just choose. Just say the answer thing. We'll click them and then we'll all just tally and see what we all get.
[01:00:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. First question is choose a weapon to fight the Titans. And our answers are bow and arrow, sword, knife, magic shield, spear. Ready with the medical aid or strength. Number two, choose something to control. Water, earth. Fire. Air, plants, outer space, time or appearance.
Question three. Pick a main character to fight with you. Percy. Annabeth. Luke. Grover, Nico. DeAngelo. If people don't know that, that is someone from the second series. Talia Grace. I don't need anyone. I work alone. Oh, this is a good one.
[01:01:05] Speaker C: Like a deep cut.
[01:01:07] Speaker B: It's a good set of questions. I liked it.
[01:01:11] Speaker A: Okay. I had to really think there for a second. Pick a side character to fight with you. Clarice le Roux. Tyson. Rachel Elizabeth dare. Selena Beauregard. The stole brothers or Charles Beckendorf. Oh, this is another good one.
[01:01:28] Speaker B: They're good questions, that's all. I'm like, we got to do this.
[01:01:31] Speaker A: Okay, thanks, buds.
[01:01:33] Speaker C: Feed for this, we'll post it in the show notes and then you should respond and tell us what you got.
[01:01:40] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[01:01:42] Speaker A: Who is your least favorite greek God or goddess?
They list all of them? Pretty much. Hades, Zeus, ares, Hera, Poseidon, Aphrodite, Artemis, Athena. I despise them all or I love them.
That's.
[01:01:57] Speaker B: That would be a good question. That is a good question.
[01:02:00] Speaker C: I cheated and I went ahead and I am surprised you're okay.
[01:02:04] Speaker A: You're allowed to choose. A power to have ability to fly, speak to animals, invincibility, control water, make plants grow, know every fact in the world, see the future or control minds. The next one is what monster do you think you could beat? The Minotaur, Hydra, Medusa, any Titan, manicure, chimera, Cyclops. And how would you say that? Last one, people?
[01:02:33] Speaker C: Is it skillet? No, it's not.
Oh, I don't know. Impuse. Let's go with that.
[01:02:40] Speaker A: Yeah, let's go with that. Okay, pick one that you are going to beat, Anthony. Next question. Which monster would you lose?
Fury. The Furies.
We're not going to read this one. These things are too hard. Just pick one, people.
[01:02:58] Speaker C: I want to see lizzie's. I think we need to.
[01:03:01] Speaker B: Yes.
No, I want everybody's. I want everybody.
[01:03:06] Speaker A: Oh, we're making the group do this.
Where would you end up? In the underworld. The fields of punishment. I'm a terrible person. Elysium. Fields of.
How do you say that word?
I didn't do much. Isles of the blessed. I achieved greatness every time. I have to let the judges decide. None of them. I never die. Man, this is a question that's really. This could be hurtful.
[01:03:32] Speaker B: Yeah, they're not going to believe the one I got.
[01:03:35] Speaker A: All right, choose a camp. Camp half blood. Camp juniper. I'm not a demigod. Who needs a camp? Describe yourself. And they are caring, loyal, determined, smart, strong, powerful, uncertain or beautiful.
All right. And we should have got an answer somewhere.
[01:03:51] Speaker B: Yeah, once you click.
I'll go first. I got cabin six. Athena.
[01:03:57] Speaker C: Yay. Let's be buddies.
[01:04:00] Speaker A: No way. So did I.
[01:04:01] Speaker B: Family.
[01:04:04] Speaker A: As a child of Athena, not only are you extremely smart, but you would prove essential in any battle point, in case.
[01:04:11] Speaker B: Totally. Okay with that.
[01:04:13] Speaker A: Okay, now, I have one last question before we wrap up. Do we agree with everybody's Athena here? Or do we feel like there's somewhere else that maybe another cabin that one of us belong in?
[01:04:24] Speaker C: I mean, I'm going to jump right in. Brian, I think you belong in Hermes's cabin. Just because of when? Well, Miranda, but for no other reason. And your love of Broadway.
[01:04:36] Speaker A: Interesting. Okay. That's not the one I thought you would choose for me. Not at all.
So I did have another one for Anthony.
Anthony, I thought you should have been in asbestos because you seem like you are just very practical and you can do a lot of things and good with your hands. And I feel like that is a very good fit for you. But I also know you're very smart, so I'm totally okay with you being in Athena.
[01:05:04] Speaker B: And it's funny because the one I had picked for Apollo.
[01:05:09] Speaker A: Interesting. Okay.
I thought for sure one of you was going to tell me I belonged in Aphrodite.
[01:05:17] Speaker C: I didn't even think that.
[01:05:19] Speaker A: Thank you. That is so kind.
So I think that we've had a lot of fun today. We are going to put the quiz in the article so that everybody can go ahead and let us know what cabin they belong.
Final.
Thank you, Buzzfeed. Any final thoughts on Percy Jackson? I think that we might have a check in at the end of the season, but anything for the first five episodes that you feel like you have not said that has not been said that needs to be said before we talk again in another three weeks.
[01:05:52] Speaker B: I'm really excited to see them go to Vegas.
[01:05:56] Speaker A: Aren't we all? And with that, we are running out of time. But we'd love to continue the conversation. So check us
[email protected]. Or you can find us on Twitter and other social medias at mycosmiccircus or on our Cosmiccircus podcast. Twitter at cosmic podcasts. Thank you again for tuning into the cosmic circle. My name is Brian Kitson, and you can find me on Twitter at kitson 301. Isla Anthony, it is always a pleasure.
Thank you so much for joining me. Before we go, can you please tell the listeners where they can find you?
[01:06:30] Speaker C: So I'm Isla Ruby, and you can find me on Twitter or X or whatever we're calling it now. T-U-L-I-N rights. And you can find my
[email protected].
[01:06:39] Speaker B: This is Anthony. You can find me at underscore on twitter or hang out with me on discord, where I'm typically always at.
[01:06:47] Speaker A: And of course, you can always find our writings right here at the cosmic circus.
Thank you again, everybody. We can't wait for our next trip through the cosmos.
