Episode Transcript
Speaker 1 00:00:17 Welcome back listeners to another episode of The Cosmic Circle, the official podcast of the Cosmic Circus, where we discuss all things nerdy. On today's episode, we'll be breaking down the newest Sony animated Marvel film, spider-Man, across the Spider Verse. My name is Brian Kitson, head writer at The Cosmic Circus. And joining me today is none other than Alex Perez, our resident spider expert. How are you doing today,
Speaker 2 00:00:42 Audi, everyone? Uh, I'm doing great. I've seen Spider Verse about a collective five times now 'cause I literally just saw it again today, <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:00:53 Five times.
Speaker 2 00:00:55 It's literally, the thing is, I, I, like, I know Lizzie's gonna think like, oh, he's only staying four times, last five times. 'cause someone invited me last time today. But it was good 'cause I, I needed to see it again to kind of like, get my thoughts in for the podcast. 'cause there's a lot that we need to talk about <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:01:10 Well then let's jump right in. So, obviously, spoiler warning to anybody listening, we will be discussing this film, breaking It Down, talking about the future of the Sony Animated Universe and possibly the Sony Marvel universe as a whole. Um, so Alex, I wanna start with one of your tweets back on three days ago. Uh, June 1st you said, in Short, spider-Man, across The Spider Verse is nothing short of a revolutionary animated experience. This is officially your favorite Spider-Man movie, Marvel movie, comic book movie, and one of your top three films forever. That is some bold claims. What I do, you still feel that way five times later? And if so, why do you think it's up there so high for you?
Speaker 2 00:01:50 Everything. Literally, it, it, first, let me just start by saying yes, it's still up there and literally, I I I I'm almost tempted to say this is my favorite movie. Had it not been for like, 'cause I'm debating it right now. Like, I know a lot of people are gonna be like, oh, he's so uncultured. Like, to me, I've seen a lot of different films. My favorite film of all time. For now, people Don't, please Don't Argue With Me. My favorite movie of all time as of late is, uh, the Godfather. Okay. Amazing movie. It was a movie. It was a movie I saw with my, with my mother. And then the second one is, uh, what was his name? It was a Scarface. Okay. Uh, anyone see, uh, anyone see a pattern? Everyone just sees Al Pacino in the title. But no, it was just like, I, I love both of those films.
Speaker 2 00:02:43 But then like across the, like the third one was Avengers, infinity War, like that was the third one for me. And then just across the Spider Verse came in and just knocked it out of proportion. 'cause I was like, damn, this film is like really good in all, in all forms of senses. There's the, for me to classify a film, I have to classify it based on three things. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the first is the story they're trying to present. The second is the cinematography and third, uh, the music. Okay. So for me, uh, godfather and, uh, the Godfather and Scarface both had incredible stories. The cinematography in both of those films was wonderful. I don't know if you've had an opportunity to see either of them, Brian, but they're fantastic. And then of course the music was incredible because who, who else can like remember The Iconic, uh, godfather theme, which is an Andy Williams song, like Speaks Softly Loved.
Speaker 2 00:03:47 And then the, the soundtrack, also the Scarface. And across the Spider Verse, the thing with Infinity War was Infinity War was third because it hit all notes with the story. It hit all notes with the visuals and the soundtrack. It also hit well. But it wasn't necessarily something that's memorable to me across the Spider verse, managed to hit all three in something that was phenomenal. There were moments at the mo there were moments I was looking at the film and I thought to myself, am I watching an animated film or am I watching something like action? Because there were moments where there were like transitioning between like, you know, cuts and then there were camera movements that I'm like, they're animating camera movements on screen. Like when, when they're walking around like the, the building in New York and Gwen walks upside down and the, and the camera just tilts and it's just animated.
Speaker 2 00:04:47 And I was like, well, wait, this is, this is a camera move. But they're doing it in animation. And they did that so many times in the film. I was just like, it blew my mind. Which was kind of the reason why I, I loved it. Not not only that, but like the final 20 minutes of the film just visually storytelling wise. And the music that was like, I've had, I, I, a lot of people have been listening to like Metro Booms, like Metro Boom's album for like the soundtrack for Spider Verse. I've been listening to Daniel Pemberton's soundtrack on replay, especially like across the Spider Verse, the final song, which is like the prowler theme and like Miles's theme and then Gwen's theme. And like so many different themes together. And that just like gets me so freaking pumped. And that's like one of the main reasons why I thought to myself, this film is just going and insane.
Speaker 2 00:05:41 And I, and I can't believe it even happened. I was like thinking to myself, this is gonna be a very ambitious film for them to complete. And then it, it worried me when I saw people go and say, oh, like, this film is incredible. This film is fantastic. It's literally one of the most amazing films of all time. And I got worried because when people hype things up, that's when I get like, oh, I'm not gonna like it. But thankfully this was one of those few times where I'm like, thank God I agree with critics <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:06:10 You know, it's funny 'cause I feel like that's how I felt with, um, spider-Man into the Spider Verse where everybody hyped it up and I was disappointed. Granted, part of it is being the migraine problem, which is kind of so me from seeing this one. But the way you're hyping it up, I am a hundred percent thinking I'm gonna go and try to get through this movie. I'm probably gonna have to sit down and finally finish the first one. Um,
Speaker 2 00:06:30 I highly recommend you do there. Like, I, I know what you mean. 'cause I, I also had that issue at first. Uh, there were moments where I was like, and, and I was watching it also in imax. And the first time I saw into the Spider Verse and the background of in, of, of Miles' World 1610, which is where most of the film of the first film takes place. Like the background kind of just like fades. It has like that three D effect mm-hmm. <affirmative> where you think you're like, go. And I thought to myself, damn, they're playing like a three D movie. But, uh, they toned it down in this one because they're not in 1610. Oh, good. All the time. 1610 is maybe in it for like 15 to 20 minutes of like the, the final fir the final portion of the first act.
Speaker 2 00:07:14 And then we have, uh, the rest of the different places, which is also something that I loved. I loved how different each and every single one of the, of the, of the universes look like. And having this film start with Spider Gwen's universe. And the way it looked, the way it was watercolor, I was like in using like the watercolor background to like, describe emotions. That was insane though. I will say. I loved that there was a moment, the first swing of the film is when Spider Gwen's like swinging through New York. And the, the first swing is literally her colors from the first comic. Uh, like the first Spider Gwen comic where she's like blending into the background and all you can see is like the lining of her hood and her lenses and like, her like spider eyes and, and then like the orange background.
Speaker 2 00:08:05 And I saw that. I'm like, oh, they're quoting the comic. And they did that a lot. They did that a lot. Which is, uh, another thing I wanted to mention now that we're on Spider Gwen, and like, there's gonna be a lot of Easter eggs that I noticed some I'm mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I'm sure I missed some, but there was one I noticed with like Spider Gwen's theme. Uh, there's like a guitar riff that goes, they didn't, and it was, it was really quick and I was like, damn, this, this, this theme is familiar, but I, I couldn't place it. Right. And I was listening to it and I noticed that it was the Spider-Man theme, the original Spider-Man theme. But it was, it, it was like faster. And they cut some notes 'cause the original, like the original Spiderman thing is, but then this one, they're like, it's the same progression but shorter and played an electric guitar. And I was like, oh my God. Daniel Pemberton Eugenius, they hit Easter eggs in the score. They're hiding Easter eggs everywhere. This is why this movie was amazing. I would that, but that's just me.
Speaker 1 00:09:08 Uh, well, no, I'm so glad that you enjoyed it. 'cause I feel like that's been the growing consensus, especially from the first one to this one that everyone seems to be enjoying, uh, enjoying it. And, and with this story, um, it seems like it was a much bigger story. Not that the first one wasn't big, but it was, like you said, it was much more tailored to Miles Morales's world. And, uh, I'm gonna kind of let you explain this one, but they, there's a reason why it's called the Cross the Spider version, and it's because the multiverse kind of opens up for this character. What was the story like for you?
Speaker 2 00:09:43 Okay, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna dial it back when you said that everyone, the, the consensus with everyone has been that, uh, that everyone has liked it. I can confirm to you, I've been talking like, I've gone to the theater with different people from different backgrounds. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like, I've gone with people from work, I've gone people that are Spider-Man fans, spider-Man co players. I've gone with every sort of, I've, I've gone with movie critics as well to like, to see this film and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, everyone has a different opinion. Okay. And one of the, and one of the opinions that a lot of people that kind of shocked me was the people that didn't like it the most were the people who were complaining that the film end on a cliffhanger. People did not like. People do not like, or, or the people I'm seeing that the people that do not like this film the most are the people that are complaining that the film ends on a cliffhanger.
Speaker 2 00:10:39 Which to be fair, that that's to their extent, it's their right. They can, they can obviously they, they don't like, and that's fine. First I do wanna say, um, the, the film, when we first broke the exclusive that was called Spider-Man, across the Spider Verse, it was called part one, we <laugh>, we all remember that the film was gonna be part one and part two. I don't see how anyone thought this film wasn't going to end on some sort of b cliffhanger. And we were just gonna get like a, a resolution either way. Most films nowadays, like Marvel films especially, they end, if not on a cliffhanger with like the post credit scene. The thing is, they just didn't do the post credit scene. They just put it straight up in the ending and that's it. There is no post credit scene in this movie, by the way.
Speaker 2 00:11:24 So like, but it, it, it just ends on a cliffhanger. And people were like saying, oh, but it ends on a cliffhanger. It doesn't have an actual ending. And I'm, and this is where the part of it, usually when I bring up this point, this is where people go, oh, okay, yeah, no, I see it. And they change their minds a little bit. And it's, you cannot look at this film as Miles's story because it isn't, and I know a lot of people are gonna be like, but Miles is at the forefront. Miles is the one that like, like that he, that Miles is the main character of this entire franchise. He's the one telling the story. He should be, you know, the main character. It isn't the main character for me in this film throughout a hundred percent Spidergwen. And I'm gonna explain why the film starts with her.
Speaker 2 00:12:11 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the film starts with her narrating monologuing to the audience, to whoever is listening to her about the events of the film. She's the one that gets the most screen time. I've timed this out. She's the one that gets the most screen time out of all of this. She's the one that's informing people of the experience that's going and on and, and the film, the, the resolution of the film doesn't end with Miles because, you know, miles, yes. His story ends open-ended, but Gwen's story kind of starts and ends in this movie. Like she doesn't die, but she's like, uh, her, the start of the film is like, she's a person who's always had an issue with like, not fitting in, not being part of a band, always wanting to be part of a band, but it ends up being a solo act. And, you know, there's also the conflict with her dad because she unmasked and like her dad didn't accept her at first.
Speaker 2 00:13:09 And then by the end of the film, when she comes back to that earth, she resolves the issue with her dad. Her dad accepts her and she decides to go out on this adventure and she builds her own team to rescue Miles. To me, she's the real, like, main character of the story. And, and putting that perspective of this is Gwen's story setting up Miles's story for the next one. I feel like people would, with that mindset, would enjoy the film better than just saying, oh, this is a cliffhanger for Miles's story. You know, because, you know, not, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 00:13:44 I was gonna say that kind of reminds me of the complaints that we heard about Mando Lori in season three, where people were upset because it, they wanted to be Mandos story. And it was actually, um, oh God, what's her name? I can't think of her name. Boca
Speaker 2 00:13:56 10.
Speaker 1 00:13:57 Boca 10 story. And so you're, you're saying that if you look at it in the way that it's Gwen's story, you have a, a more, uh, feeling of resolution a little bit better.
Speaker 2 00:14:06 Yeah, no, not only that, but you literally have, and in the first fif 10, 15 minutes of the film are all dedicated to Gwen Miles doesn't even come in until like 15 minutes later. Like I remember yesterday we were watching the movie for the fourth time and my friend, and like my, here's the, here's the ironic thing. My friend was late, he arrived 15 minutes after the movie started and he comes in just as Miles's story is about to start. And he still understood the entire thing. He didn't see like the first 15 minutes of Gwen in her world and fighting the Renaissance Vulture and 2099 coming in. And like, sure, it's, it's helpful for them to understand that backstory 'cause it provides them more. But people can miss the first 15 minutes and still be fine watching the movie. You know, that's kind like, at least my friend was that way.
Speaker 2 00:14:59 Me personally, I can never do that. I, I have to sit through and through watch an entire film from beginning to end, which is also another thing. I know that it was like, I was actually asked to, to leave the theater yesterday by, uh, by, by the theater that I saw the movie at because they were like, there's no post credit scene. And I'm like, I don't care. I was looking for something particular in the credits because I needed to know more. 'cause here's Trade Secret, everyone you wanna find out more about a story that, especially a story that involves the multiverse. Always check the credits, always check who's writing the story and always check who the script writers are consulting because guess who's in the credits credited during this film, which is something that I wanted to talk about. Uh,
Speaker 1 00:15:51 Do you wanna talk about it now? Do you, so you wanna jump into it? Yeah, you gonna, I'll
Speaker 2 00:15:54 Go ahead and do it. I'll jump into it. I'll jump into it. Someone tweeted at me the, the image of like the low key multiverse thing. I gotta find a tweet. Hold on. It was here, I remember I saw it, right? So someone tweeted at me and asked me, is it a co like, okay, so this was me responding to shout out DW Den of the Nerds. Like he was talking about how Ma McGill cataloged the M C U is as Earth 19 9 9 9 9 and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I answered to him that at the end of the film they re they Gwen has her own watch and it's a very blink and you'll miss it moment. Which is why every time I go to see this movie, I try to see in the biggest screen possible so that I can appreciate every single detail.
Speaker 2 00:16:43 And it's a blink and you'll miss it moment. But there's a moment when she's going to Peter b Parker's Earth, which is Earth 6 1 6. And like it was told to us in, into the Spider verse that it was Earth 6 1 6. Now of course after that, you know, multiverse of Madness came out and people said that, you know, the, the M C U was actually Earth 6 1 6. So it's a little bit confusing. No one really knows who, what Earth six is the M C U Earth, 616 is the M C U Earth, 1999, blah, blah, blah, blah, all that in the film it, which is why I say that they answer it and at the same time they kind of leave it up in the air at the end of the, at like at first they say flat out the M C U is Earth 1999.
Speaker 2 00:17:29 99 by the end, which is like a month after the events of like the first 15 minutes of when they say that, uh, Gwen's watch, which is given to her by Spider punk says as she's traveling to Peter b Parker's Earth, which was originally Earth 6 1 16, in the, into the spider film, it says Earth 6 1 6 dash B, like it's a variant of Earth 6 1 16, but it's not really Earth 6 1 6, it's just a variant. So it's very curious. Okay. And then someone responded to that saying, it's not a coincidence. Right? That like unfolding <inaudible> shout out to them. It says it's not a coincidence, right. That the way Miguel opens up about the web of spider people who are all connected looks exactly like this. And, and it's not, and it isn't a coincidence. And I'm going to explain why, and I'm gonna confirm it here in the podcast.
Speaker 2 00:18:29 The question that everyone has been waiting for me to answer. Marvel and Sony were in communication for the reveal, for this reveal of the multiverse. I was told by two of my most reliable sources who have gotten things in the past that Marvel was consulted for this part of the multiverse. Which is why we see the timeline. Yes. The sacred timeline from Loki and Antman and the Wass quantum mania showed up in, uh, showed up in into the spider in and across the spider verse when Miguel says, this is everything, the this, when he says, this is everything and the timeline spreads out, spreads out, that is the sacred timeline. Then he goes on to explain a variation of it, which is the web of life and destiny. And that's, uh, that is the, that's the same thing as the sacred timeline, but it's more focused on spider people.
Speaker 2 00:19:28 So the sacred timeline is everything, but within the sacred timeline, there's the web of life and destiny. So that's the first thing I wanted to mention. The second thing I wanted to mention was with, uh, in, in terms of whether or not across the Spider verse into the spider verse is the spider verse is is the Sony verse. Essentially all of the films Sony are making, are they canned to the M C U? Yes. They're all technically canned to the M C U in a way, shape, or form because it's the multiverse. It happened, it just happened on another earth, not Earth 6 1 16. Now will V M C U ever reference these events?
Speaker 2 00:20:09 From what I understand, yes. I un I'm sorry I'm interrupting. I know, I'm sorry I'm interrupting. You're fine. From what I understand, yes, yes. This is, it's a thing, it's gonna happen. People, and I get it. A lot of people are like confused with like, but how are they gonna bring in, you know, animated characters and have them interact with live action characters? They already did. That's the first experiment that they did by bringing Prowler live action Prowler played by Donald Glover in across the Spider Verse as he's in that prison, which by the way, I can also confirm that is not a variant. It's not someone else. It is indeed the 6 1 6 M C U Prowler in there. Now I'm confused as to why he was there to begin with. But the, the ironic thing was like, I was told that he was gonna be a thing for Spider-Man four because they filmed, they filmed him and I was told that they were gonna do it.
Speaker 2 00:21:07 I just didn't think to myself when, when they told me this, that it was gonna be for across the Spider verse. I always thought it was gonna be for the trilogy, which, because it was gonna be like the, the trilogy, the next trilogy has to deal with like turf wars and stuff. But that's another thing. Spider-Man four and Spider-Man fa we're still years away. Well, not years away, we're two years away from that. But, you know, it was gonna be like street wars and turf wars and different gangs and stuff. And, and I thought to myself, oh, they're just testing his costume 'cause you know it's gonna be for Spiderman four. And I just immediately disregarded it and then I, I see the live action thing and I'm like, oh, so this was what it was for. Okay. So yeah, you know, like I feel like they were just like teasing it.
Speaker 2 00:21:50 But yeah, I would expect like the N C U Prowler to, you know, show up in Spider-Man four or Spider-Man five. 'cause the story kind of has to do with that. But, um, but yes, they, they showed the timeline because they're trying to connect the two films together, not just the across the spider risk, but beyond the spider risk as well, which is also something that we're gonna talk about. Because there was the one thing that was flooded between my dms and my tweets and people mentioning me about why they didn't see Tom Holland in the, in the film. Why wasn't Tom Holland there? You said he was gonna be in the film. And I also said, which was confirmed by, we're gonna talk about this, there were spider people that were cut, right? There were spider people that weren't in the film. And let's start with the first one, which was confirmed by Phil Lord himself that was gonna be in the movie.
Speaker 2 00:22:48 He didn't show up sup by the man. The, the Japanese Spider-Man did not show up, neither did his, his uh, his Mecca sword, which I am completely forgetting the name, and I know it starts with an L, but I don't wanna butcher it. But he was supposed to be in across the Spider verse and he was stud. So was Tom Holland. Tom Holland wasn't wearing the final suit from Norway home. He was wearing the black and red suit with the white symbol on the back. So I knew it was him, but he wasn't, it, it, for some reason it wasn't there. And there were other characters which were cut, which I'm going to assume are going to be in the film. There's, hold on, I have a list right here. Characters, I can say them right now. Hold on. Uh, and these are fine 'cause my source gave told me permission to do it.
Speaker 2 00:23:31 So, but, uh, you know, I didn't see Man Spider there. Uh, cyborg Spiderwoman was a thing, but like, they didn't reveal what, what she was, what she was doing in that one for some reason. Uh, there was a Spider-Man that was actually gonna be, uh, that that was gonna reference Nick Fury because it was the Spider-Man with the, with a, with a Shield logo on his, on his shoulder. And it was like Spider-Man, agent of Shields not related to Agents of Shield. People calm down. I know like a lot of people are just immediately gonna question Chloe Bennett, you're gonna get everybody riled up. There were, there was a Spider assassin that was essentially like a hitman version of Spider-Man. You know, there's a lot of, and there were the clones. Okay, let's talk about this, about Cain. You know, the other Scarlet Spider came, he was gonna be in this movie and he wasn't, and he didn't show up.
Speaker 2 00:24:29 He wasn't there. Same thing with, uh, the Spider Woman clone also didn't show up. And part of the reason why these characters did not show up is because they're being safe for the next one. You know, there's also the, there was one that was literally teased in posters shown everywhere. And I did, I at least I don't recall ever seeing her in the film, uh, which was, uh, spint, which is a Mary Jane version of Spider-Man with Mayday at like older mayday like yeah, we had the Young Mayday, which was Peter b Parker's daughter. But we didn't see, I didn't see an older mayday there. You know, there's a lot of characters that did not make the final cut of this film, which to me is like, it's, it's because I know they're saving them for the next one, which I, I I've been told it's gonna be longer, but they're trying, they're like, it, it's difficult for me to picture how they're gonna make across the Spider verse longer than two hours.
Speaker 2 00:25:33 Because while, while you do have animation, you know, for adults and like, uh, the biggest fan base right now for Spider-Man is adults, the target demographic for this is still kids and families, you know, films that families can see. And I don't know how they're gonna make this, this next film longer than two hours because I, I think into the Spider verse was shorter. I don't remember into the Spider verse was one hour and 40 minutes across the spider verse was two hours. And I'm being told that they wanna make beyond the Spider verse, like even longer than that, like two hours or 30 minutes or something like that. And I'm like, I don't think you're gonna have be enough attention span from like, kids to sit around for two hours and watch this movie. Sure. But that's, but yeah, that's like Spider a a lot of spider people.
Speaker 2 00:26:22 Right. Just, just to keep it, wrap it up Spider people were cut. Spider people will show up in the next one. And the experiment with Prowler and, uh, Andrew Garfield, who also showed up in this movie in a, in a like archive footage version of, of him in from thousand one. It was a test. It's a test to see how people reacted to, you know, live action and animated versions together. Because spoiler, potential spoiler for the next film, I suppose they're gonna be traveling to a live action universe. I don't know which one's gonna be it. I don't know if it's gonna be one B M C U, I don't know if it's gonna be, uh, ssm, I don't know if it's gonna be Remy. It could be all three. It could be none of them because we could see Live Action Miles Morales since that's now a thing. But, you know, beyond the Spider Verse is going to get live action because we're gonna go, as the title says, beyond the Spider verse. And that unfortunately, I can't mention what they're gonna do beyond that, but I'm just excited for it overall because like, we're now in the hype of the Multiverse saga with Marvel and it's just, it's gonna be hype.
Speaker 1 00:27:36 So do you, are you saying then that when they go over to these worlds, kinda like Prowler, they'll remain animated in those worlds? Or will they become live action when they cross over? Or can you say that,
Speaker 2 00:27:49 Oh, they're gonna stay, they're gonna stay, they're gonna stay, they're gonna stay animated. Like I know that I, I know there's people that are questioning like, oh, what, like is if Miles Morales goes to an and to a live action universe, are we gonna get a live action Miles Morales? I don't think so. Because that's kind of like the experiment that they were doing with across the Spider verse. You, you have, uh, you have Donald Glover in an A Live Action, Donald Glover in an animated setting, and it worked. Why can't you have an animated character in, in a, in a live action setting? I mean, just look at, and this isn't something that's new. This is stuff that's happened for years and people have Space Jam who framed Roger Rabbit, bro. Yeah, these are, this is not something that like, that's new, but it's gonna be great 'cause it's Spider-Man and I know that it's gonna be fine and people are not gonna be taken out of the immersion at all. So I'm sure it's gonna be fine. Uh, but yeah, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 00:28:51 You know, going back to something else you said too, and maybe I'm looking too deep into this. Maybe you can answer this, maybe you can't, but you had mentioned the fact that this film references the Web of Destiny. Um, isn't that tied to Mme. Webb and is that gonna play a part in the film?
Speaker 2 00:29:09 Okay, so I'm gonna tell you a rumor.
Speaker 1 00:29:11 Okay?
Speaker 2 00:29:13 I'm gonna tell you a rumor that I heard, and I, and, and this one is from a source that has gotten things right in the past, especially when it comes to Sony things, but has also gotten things wrong. So take this one with a grain of salt. This one, I don't say with a lot of confidence. There was an idea before these films were all delayed and pushed back even further. There was an idea that Madam went, I don't recall how old this was, but it was gonna be that Mme. Webb was gonna come out before these, the animated films. Oh. And that, and that they were gonna reference, that they were gonna reference the events of Mme. Webb into across the Spider Verse, which is why you see an animated Julia Carpenter, which is supposed to be played by Sidney sweetie, I think is her name. The Yes, the, the actress from Euphoria.
Speaker 2 00:30:13 That's supposed to be her. But I don't know exactly how that's gonna happen now, because across the Spider Verse came out beforehand. And that's also a thing, this is a thing where Mar like Sony's having issues with like their release schedules because Morby was supposed to come out before No Way Home. And that the events of that film were supposed to intertwine with No Way Home, but then No Way Home came out first and then came out more. And, you know, situations happen, right? And now it's just a mess. So now I'm scared that they're just gonna try to jam in Mme. Webb when at this point keep 'em out of it. But from what I've heard, there is a way they can do it right. There is a way that they might be able to do it properly. I don't know how it's gonna work out, but I would, hopefully the idea works.
Speaker 2 00:31:10 Okay. What I heard, I don't know if this is gonna be final, this, I don't know if this is even final, but we'll see how it happens. Someone visits them that's related to across the Spider verse at the end. That's all I'm gonna say. That's all I'm gonna say. I don't know who it is. Let's just, yeah, I don't even know if it's gonna happen. I don't think, I think Sony does wanna connect these universes. I personally don't want them connected at all. But, um, uh, from what I understand there, there is a chance that someone from across the Spider Verse is going to show up at the end of Mme. Webb to kind of like connect these stories together. But we'll see how that happens.
Speaker 1 00:31:58 Okay.
Speaker 2 00:31:59 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:32:00 Yeah. I think that that gives us a really, you know, interesting possibility for the future of, um, Sony's universe, but also for across the Spider verse with the way that this film ends, which I'm gonna try not to butcher this too much. So correct me if I'm wrong, it ends with Miles getting stuck in a, in a a world that's not his own kind of trap. There have yeah. Kind of for the result of his own consequences for what he's done trying to save his father. Um, where do you, where, where do you want this to go? Where does it go? Like, obviously it's gonna be to save miles, but you know, you mentioned the not, you know, the timeframe of not going to go too much over two hours, hopefully. Where do you see this film going?
Speaker 2 00:32:45 Okay, I know a lot of people are going to, are seeing this film and they're thinking, okay, we're on, we're in Earth 42. Uncle Aaron is alive, Miles' Dad, Jefferson is dead, and Rio's a single mom, and the spider that Bit Miles is from this Earth, that's also a thing. So they kind of mentioned that the spot, uh, who is an incredible villain, by the way. This is, I'm gonna talk about Phil Lord and Christopher Miller near the end. So remind me about that. Sure. But, uh, but the spot kind, what, what they do is like, they explain that the spider that bit miles in a, in into the spider verse came from Earth 42. And because that spider was taken from Earth 42, that earth has no Spider-Man. So every single Spider-Man villain is now running rampant in New York. There's, they're littered everywhere. I wrote down every single reference I could find.
Speaker 2 00:33:50 I had to see it five times just to get all of these characters. And I know that there's more, there's the elec electros, electronics, like electronics, but electro, you know? Mm-hmm. Uh, vulture Corp. Obviously referencing Vulture. The Sandman. That was hilarious. 'cause I didn't notice it until like the fourth one. I thought to myself, that's just an ugly Rolex. And then I see Sandman and I'm like, oh, okay. I get it now. That's funny. So yeah, it's a Rolex watch and it's called Sandman 'cause Time's Running Out Ooh, uh, Scorpio, which was, I love how Lizzie wrote to me and said, were you trying to say Scorpio <laugh>? And I'm like, no, I know. I, no, I, trust me. I saw it too. And I was having a spasm inside. I'm like, grammar, but, uh, it's called Scorpio, you know, for Scorpion. Uh, there was, uh, there was one that was a, that was an eight.
Speaker 2 00:34:49 And then like in the background, it was, it was too fast for me to see, but I know it was an eight. And it had like an O C T, like Oct, like octopus, like Dr. Octopus plus the eight, you know, eight Arms and Octopus has eight arms. So Oc uh, the Rhino Casino, which was an an RR logo, there was, there was a sign that said Hammer. And I thought to myself, okay, hammerhead, you know, 'cause there's no way they're gonna mention Justin Hammer and Hammer Industries in the Marvel in the Spiderman movie. But, uh, hammerhead, you know, there was a sign that was an SS and had like shock waves. So shocker, you know, they, they're referencing every single villain in this universe. I have yet to see Mysterio, I have yet to see, uh, kingpin. And probably something that's interesting to me is I don't recall seeing a single reference to Green Goblin in this movie.
Speaker 2 00:35:48 <laugh>. There's no Norman Osborne in this. And I don't know if they're like, trying to keep him hidden for this film, or like, they're not, they don't wanna talk about Norman Osborn because like Norman is Peter's nemesis. Mm-hmm. So there's no need to bring in, uh, green Go, which is fine, honestly. I, I personally love it. Uh, but, uh, but yeah, like I know that there're sitting up the sinister six cartel and, and you know, and it's possible that the sinister six, well, it just has those members, like the ones I mentioned, electro Vultures, Sandman Scorpion Hawk Rhino, they're all kind of like the, the, the main members. The only ones that I noticed that I didn't really notice, like on Earth 42, and hopefully I'm wrong, I might have to see it again to see if I noticed them. But I didn't see any reference to CR or Mysterio, even though, like they're referenced in the film, like during like the capturing sequence.
Speaker 2 00:36:42 And there's like an interesting Raven Mo stereo Mysterio. So there's different versions, but I didn't see them on, on Earth 42. So I don't know if they're gonna keep like, the main roster, the original roster for the sinister six or if they're gonna change it up, you know? But it, but it's, it's fine. What I do think though is that at the end, you know, there's the big twist reveal that Miles is prowler. Okay? And I know that a lot, and I know that a lot of, like the miles of Earth 42 is prowler. And that's also another thing, short Easter egg, if you didn't notice it, when Spot is explaining that the spider was from Earth 42 and he snatched it out of Earth 42, there's a sequence when you see the spider be snatched. But the spider, when he snatched before he snatched, he's on a school desk with about to bite a kid with braids who is Miles Morales from Earth 42.
Speaker 2 00:37:41 'cause it's the exact same braids in haircut. So on Earth 42, the spider that was gonna bit miles in that, that bit R Miles was the one that was gonna bite the, the prowler miles. But because it didn't bite him, all of this happened. You know? And, and I know that a lot of people are thinking to themselves, all right, so we have, you know, now we have, uh, prowler miles, he's gonna be the bad guy 100%. And I don't think that's the case. I genuinely don't think that Miles is the, the prowler miles is gonna be the bad guy. I I some something in my gut is telling me no, because the same thing happened with the first one into the spider verse ended with the reveal that Miguel O'Hara was gonna travel the multiverse. And we all thought Miguel O'Hara was a good guy.
Speaker 2 00:38:33 And look how that happens. <laugh>, I'm, I'm getting the feeling that we're getting expectations subversion and that like Miles isn't really a, like the Prowler Miles isn't really a bad guy. He's just trying to fend for himself and his family as best he can against the sinister six cartel. That's what I think they might be going for. Or at least that's the way I would see it. But in the end, I, I, I'm, I'm just excited to see it. I know that we're gonna get, you know, si we're gonna get the sinister six cartel fighting off against the spi the, the team formed by Spider Gwen. And it's gonna be an awesome matchup, I think, uh, because we're gonna get, we're, I mean, you have six villainous characters and then you have, you have Spider Gwen, you have Peter B. Parker, you have Penny Parker, you have Spider Noir, you have Spider ham, you have Javi Brown, the best character <laugh>, uh, you have, uh, spider-Man, India Pier, and you have Spider bite.
Speaker 2 00:39:43 So you have eight spider people aside from Miles, which makes it nine spider people versus the sinister six cartel potentially Hammer head and Shocker and Prowler, you have nine villains versus nine Spider people. <laugh>, you see, it's like, it matches up. But, um, it's the perfect matchup. Exactly. But, and then there's the, there's the point about Spot, which I have to commend Christo, uh, I, I have to commend Christopher Miller and Phil Lord, and also Dave. I, I don't remember his last name, but the other writer, Dave Achman, I hope that's his name. I if he listens to this, I'm sorry for be portraying your name, but, um, I have to commend them for making what is, what people have called for years, the Lamest Spider-Man villain into what is arguably the most dangerous villain in the multiverse to date only second to King. That is incredible story tell, like that is the most incredible story.
Speaker 2 00:40:50 Do you have any idea how much of a genius you have to be to take one of the lamest Spider-Man characters and make them into this one of the second most dangerous multiverse villains, aside from Kang? That is insane. Which is one of the reasons why I'm thinking to myself and going back to the thing about the credits I in the film across the Spider verse, which is why I stay there. They, they thank Jeff Loveness, the writer for, and Man, and the Wasp Quantum Mania. They thank him. And I've also heard that while he wasn't credited, they talked to Michael Waldron about this, they talked to Michael Waldron about the multiverse. And that's, and I'm listening to this and I'm thinking to myself, okay, think about the, I, I don't, I don't wanna say for certain this is gonna happen, but think about this for a minute.
Speaker 2 00:41:42 Jeff Loveness was consulted for Spider-Man across the Spider Wars. From what I understand. He was consulted for jokes and he was consulted for his idea on the sacred timeline. But, um, Jeff Loveness, the former writer for an for Avengers, the Kang dynasty works on Spider Verse. And, and I'm sure that must've been like a while ago, but he works on Spider Verse and you know, recently he left the project. Would you imagine anyone better once the writer's strike is done, by the way, support the rider, pay them what they deserve, get them, get them their rights, or support the writer's rights, please. But, um, uh, would you imagine once the writer's strike is over, if it ever ends, uh, when they get into the room, you know, now with Jeff Lni not in the room, I would get first person on my mind to get into Avengers K Dynasty, get Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, because that, that, like what they did for this movie is just insane.
Speaker 2 00:42:49 And they need their opportunity. In the N C U I would 100% be on board with them following Spider-Man beyond the Spider Verse, get these people into the N C U, get them writing the multiverse with, uh, Michael Waldron, and let's actually do this, right? Because Secret Wars and Kang Dynasty, it's something that needs to be done, right? And Phil and Phil Lord and Christopher Miller did it, right? What they presented with Hammer Space, the cannon, like the, literally taking the term canon and making it a thing, you know, that's <laugh>. I was like, that is genius. Get these people into an N C U writing room right now and let them write the multiverse saga. I'm down for that a hundred percent. Like that is genius. But speaking about that, speaking, going back to like the spot, I am actually kind of scared because I had an idea about this, and Phil, I've noticed that Phil Lord and Christopher Miller like to reference things that happened in the, like, they like to foreshadow things.
Speaker 2 00:44:00 They like to foreshadow the events of the pre of the future films in, in their films and like in, in Future films and current films. And I noticed while watching, uh, while watching Across the Spider Verse, and, uh, there was, they, they show the future, essentially the, they, they show a Canon event, which is that supposedly in the film, like in Beyond the Spider Verse, we're going to see Jeff Morales die. We're gonna see, uh, Miles's Dad die the day of his, uh, uh, uh, his day of his, when he's sworn in as police captain, because that's a Canon event for all spider people that apparently if you have a, a captain in your family or, or, or you're close to a police captain, then that captain dies. Most of the captains have always been George Stacey, which is Gwen Stacey's dad. And they were kind of doing the exact same thing here for like Gwen's dad and her on her earth, but he quit the police force.
Speaker 2 00:45:09 So it kind of shows that like a Canon event can be disrupted and at the same time, nothing bad is gonna happen. Like it doesn't need to happen in order for a Canon event to exist. Which is also something I'm going to talk, like I said, this podcast is gonna run for a very long time. 'cause there's a lot to talk about. Um, but, but yeah, I, I had a horrible idea that, that I saw. And it was, at first it was a joke line, but I kept seeing the, the, the scene over and over of the future where Jeff is gonna die. And I thought to myself, this would be a horrible idea and it'd be heart wrenching to see. But they foreshadowed it as well in the film, which was that there was a sequence when like Miles is going, can't you just be a normal super villain?
Speaker 2 00:46:01 And like he's glitching out and like, it's, it's just some quick cut frames as jokes where like Miles is in very different poses with the spot and like he's traveling around in different spots and then there's a moment where like Miles is inside, uh, the spot as if the spot was wear, like as if Miles was wearing the spot. And I kept looking at it because like Miles sees this future, he sees this not once but twice. He sees the future of, of Jeff dying first time when Spot Co connects with the Collider and says, that's our future and that's what's gonna happen. But the thing is, you never see Miles during that future sequence. And in that moment, I thought to myself, what if Miles tries to save his dad by going after the spot, only for the spot to absorb him and the spot.
Speaker 2 00:46:57 And like Miles asked, the Spot is the one that causes the accident, that kills his own dad. And I was thinking of, and the thing was, I was like thinking to myself, that can't happen that like, at that same mo moment I was like, that can't happen. They wouldn't dare do that. But as you're seeing the scene, you see that the spot kind of like glitches out and there's two heads, like one's trying to get out of the spot's body as he's like glitching out and destroying the building that kills Jeff. And I'm thinking to myself, bro, what if Miles is inside the spot and he's the one that causes the accident? Like, that would be so messed up. And I, I was like, damn. So I, I, that's something that I think could happen in beyond the Spider Verse and I'm terrified and I hope it doesn't happen, but I feel like it's something that could happen, <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:47:51 That would be, that would be hard for a lot of fans to watch that.
Speaker 2 00:47:55 I don't know.
Speaker 1 00:47:56 I dunno if they're ready. I dunno if they're ready for that.
Speaker 2 00:47:59 You think? No, I mean, it, it was kind. No, but it was, it was hor like the, this film was hard to watch at some moments. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. 'cause you know, it was, it was hard to watch the, uh, like the final moments when Miguel is telling Miles that he was an anomaly, that he was a mistake because the spider that bit him wasn't supposed to bite him. And he's like, you're a mistake and such. And that was like a very tough scene. And it was even worse when it's revealed that all of Miles's friends knew, like Peter B. Parker knew. Gwen knew and they didn't tell him and that's why they never visited Miles because he was the original anomaly for Miguel. But that was something that was kind of like difficult for me to watch. 'cause I'm like, damn, that's talk about not accepting someone.
Speaker 2 00:48:50 But, but this is the one bit that I have to mention it and I have to say it and, and again about the foreshadowing and they like to foreshadow things in these movies for the future. I don't trust Lila. I don't, I don't like the algorithm that's with Miguel. I don't trust her at all. I really don't, like, I don't, I don't ex I don't understand how an omniscient computer that sees Miles knows what's going on because she's always with Miguel and she saw that like, and she's connected to the web. She's essentially Ultron and it's the future. She knows what's going on, how she let Miles get away into Earth 42, unless it was intended, you know? 'cause there's a scene where like spider like miles beats all of the spider people and he goes back to the Spider Society HQ so that he can travel go so he can get into the machine that would take him back home.
Speaker 2 00:49:51 Except when they analyzed his d n a, they analyzed the d n A of the spider that bit him, which was from Earth 42. And it sent him to Earth 42. And, and, and at that moment, like while that's all that is going on Spider Bite, which is like a techie spider-man, that's very cool character by the way. She had a very short timeframe, but she was very cool and she was like a very techie spider-man. And she was in charge of the homecoming machine and she was trying to delay, like, she was trying to stop the machine from, from working. And at the end, you know, she kinda like, just says she sees that it's Miles. And she kind of had a little bit of a, a connection with him during the film, very short, but it was a small connection to, and she's like, he's trying to do the right thing and Miguel Tur tells her to turn off the machine and she says no.
Speaker 2 00:50:38 And like, she just doesn't react. She just looks at Miles and she goes, nah, I'm not gonna press the button to like, stop the machine. But before that, you know, like Lila comes in to try to help Spider Bite and she keeps saying, oh, what if you do this? Or what if you do this? Or what if you do that? And she tells her, stop it. You're getting in the way. And I'm thinking to myself is, is she in, is, was Lila intentionally letting this happen so that Miles would go to Earth 42? Did she know what was gonna happen? Is she like the real villain behind this <laugh>? And that was like, these are the questions that go on in my head while watching a Marvel movie. And I can never enjoy them because I'm always just questioning everything <laugh> before
Speaker 1 00:51:26 I think. So you, so you think there's a chance the ultimate villain's gonna be Layla? Layla, Layla.
Speaker 2 00:51:32 Yes. There's a, there's a, I don't trust her. I don't trust the algorithm thing that's with Miguel. 'cause there's also that thing of like, I don't think Miguel is a bad guy because at first, like when we first see Miguel in like into the Spider verse, he's a really cool spider character. And then there's like a very stark difference with him in this one. And, and I'm, and I'm starting to think that it's because of the algorithm. Like something is up with Lila and I know that Layla's like a very close friend to him in the comics and, and like they have their ups and downs and stuff. But I don't know, I don't trust the algorithm. And, and this is probably one of those things where I'm wrong, but like something in my gut is telling me something like my spider sense is going off with Layla.
Speaker 2 00:52:18 I don't like her. I don't like this Layla character at all. She's very weird. And even Miles questions her like, and we're like Miles questions her at some point and goes like, we're supposed to let our, our, our friends and family die because some algorithm tells us to do you realize how messed up that is? And then like, I keep looking at it and I'm like, damn, he has a point. Like they're, they keep putting Lila, Layla in the forefront as if she's like the mastermind behind this. But I don't know, like, it, it, I could be wrong, but at the same time, like something tells me there's more to Layla in 2099 by default, which is also something like I'm, this is a crack head theory. It's not confirmed. This is just my own personal head canon. I wouldn't, 'cause they're both the same orangey holographic color.
Speaker 2 00:53:11 They both have to do with the multiverse. They both are informational. They know everything that has to do with the multiverse. I would not, I would lose my mind if in beyond the Spider verse, Lila turns out to be miss minutes, I would literally just lose my shit. I'd be like, I'm done. I'm out. <laugh>, this is not, it's like that would be it for you. That that would be it. And at the same time, I could believe it because Lila knows about the sacred timeline and she acts in, in the exact same way that Miss Minutes would. And she even has the same coloring, bro. I would be, that would be like, that's a crack head theory. I don't think it's gonna happen. But that would be like the most insane way to connect beyond the Spider verse to like, 'cause that's a thing I have heard from my sources confirmation here.
Speaker 2 00:54:09 I've heard from my sources. There's gonna, they're gonna bring in some Spider Verse characters, not all, I don't know which ones they're, I'm going to assume Miles Morales, but they're gonna bring Spider Verse characters in for Secret Wars, which is, and and, and this is also part of the reason why it, someone asked me this on Twitter and I didn't answer them right away because I thought it would be right for me to answer it here. Yes, there is conversations about making Secret Wars a two-parter and not just making Secret Wars a two-parter, but having a battle world phase, like a phase that's just dedicated to, to alternate universe projects and, and, and like between one film and the other. Because there's just so much Marvel wants to do with the multiverse, with cameos, with other projects, with other universes, that we are not going to have enough time for us to get a concise story between with all of these characters and just Secret Wars.
Speaker 2 00:55:28 Because Kang Dynasty doesn't even delve into the multiverse variance. It just goes with like the M C U characters and, and it deals with the Kang with the different kangs. But we don't get any M C U variants, we don't get spread of variants. We don't get, uh, daredevil variants or not confirming that there's daredevil variants in the works or anything. I'm just like shooting off the top of my head. But there's no variance of of the characters that we know. We just get the 6 1 16 M C U characters in Kang Dynasty and then somehow we're supposed to delve into Secret Wars and have these M C U characters interact with their own variants from different universes. Some are new, some are old, some are characters that people have known for years. Others are just fun variations of the characters that are just gonna show up.
Speaker 2 00:56:16 And we somehow supposed to do this in one movie. There's no way. There's literally no way. And that they're trying, they're gonna divide Secret Wars into two things and that there's a potential idea to make an entire face dedicated to like a Battle World thing where they just go into different universes and like make it a very big version of what if. But, but like it's, it's so early and the bad thing about it is, I can't even give you an updated version of this, because this is old, because this is old information that I can't update you on until the writer strike is done. Because until the, the writers at this moment essentially control the playing field with everything because they control productions, because they can go to strike, they can do strikes, they can go to rallies, and they can pause production and delay productions.
Speaker 2 00:57:11 Pre-production wise, all the stories are stopped. They can't do anything because they can't write, because they can't, because, because writers can't write. And, and there's, and it's a very complicated situation where literally everything has been paused until, you know, the writer's strike is done. And like, these ideas can't be fully developed until the writer's strike is completed. So to the people that have to be in charge of these conversations, I'm literally sidelining this <laugh>, I'm literally sidelining a spider verse conversation to talk about the right of strike. But, you know, give these people what they want. You know, they are the people responsible for making these productions work, not just directors. They are these, they are the people that make these stories work. And when they are treated with love and care and appreciation, and given the things that they are asked and they deserve, you can get things as amazing as across the spider verse, you know, and it's an amazing story. And you just have to, you have to trust these writers, and you have to, you know, you have to commend them for the work that they do. That's a, that's a different point. And I completely lost the point that you had asked me earlier. <laugh> <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:58:25 It's okay. We, I just, I, that'd be super exciting to think of a battle world. Um, phase. That's my personal favorite, um, series of comic books is all of the, the battle world, um, issues in between. So if we could get that and bring some of these into the Spider of characters in there, I'd totally be down for it. That's what we need. We need, we need more integration in all these characters. Give it to us, but also pay the writers. Absolutely. Yes. Without the, we have nothing. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:58:53 <affirmative>,
Speaker 1 00:58:54 Is there anything that you feel like we haven't covered that you need, that you want to say, or you need to say about this film?
Speaker 2 00:58:59 There's a lot of things that I need to say, uh, about, I'm, I'm literally <laugh> as we're speaking. I'm rewatching the movie in my head, and I'm going from beginning to end scanning everything, because I don't write notes. I just remember first
Speaker 1 00:59:14 Thing, Hey,
Speaker 2 00:59:14 That works. I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put some things that I need, and I hope Phil Lord and Christopher Miller and all the people in charge of these films answers in beyond the Spider verse, because I need to know the answer to this. In the beginning sequence, in the first 15 minutes of the film, Miguel O'Hara travels to Spider Gwen's Earth to take down the Renaissance vulture or whatever. But while you're looking at the watch, you can see the recent earths that he had visited before that I want Phil Lord and Christopher Miller to explain to me what Miguel O'Hara was doing in Miles Morales's Universe on Earth. 1610 before across the Spider verse happened. What was he doing? I wanna know. That's the first thing I wanna know. Second thing I wanna know, why did he visit? I mean, this one kind of answers itself, but before 1610, he had visited Earth, I think it was 1 9 8.
Speaker 2 01:00:19 I don't remember the exact number, but I know it was er, it was, uh, hoppy Brown's earth. It was Spider Puns Earth, which is probably to recruit him, probably recruiting him for the Spider Society. But, um, I wanna know what was up with that. I wanna know exactly, uh, why Miguel O'Hara visited Earth 16, 10. The second thing I wanna talk about is, uh, the, the turn about Cannons that, uh, Miguel O'Hara used to kind of describe how every single character, every single Spider-Man has to go through these events, and it's supposed to happen to all of them, okay? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, there's a moment when they're showing the Canon events. They're showing different iconic moments of, of Spider-Man. They're showing Spider Punk, uh, leaving the iconic classic soup behind as he walks away from the alley, you know? And he leaves like the Spider-Man suit in the trash can on the right hand side.
Speaker 2 01:01:19 And he, like, spider-Man walks away on the left, there's a spiderwoman, uh, IRA Spiderwoman, by the way, Jessica Drew Spiderwoman amazing. Loved her. I loved her at first, and then just midway through the film, it was like she became an, an antagonistic character. I did not like. And I was like, girl, come on. Don't, don't do this. Don't, don't, don't be like this. You, you're human too. But she kind of turned it around at the end by letting Gwen do her own thing, which, which I really appreciated. But, um, they were showing difference things that every Canon character has done in Spider Comics. And there was a sequence that we saw with Spider Gwen, but it was not shown. And I need to know if what we saw is the future. Because if it's the future, I am not prepared to see Spider Gwen die, because there's a sequence when Spider Gwen is looking at a mirror about a Cannon event, and we see a very beaten up spider Gwen, like costume torn and everything.
Speaker 2 01:02:21 And I have tried to look around everywhere for that comic book panel, and I have not found it anywhere. But the pose is very reminiscent of when the Night Gwen Stacey died. And I am terrified that beyond the Spider Verse is gonna kill Spider Gwen, because I fell in love with this character way too much <laugh>. And I am not ready for her to die in this movie. So I'm not ready. So I'm hoping, hopefully someone who's listening to this podcast will be able to find that panel for me and know what I'm talking about, uh, and hopefully will tell me no, that's not from that, that's from like another sequence. But I hope she doesn't die, because the thing is, we only see her, like her body slumped, her costume torn, and she's like in the Spider Gwen costume, but we don't see who's holding her. And I'm thinking to myself, are we literally about, did they just tease my Gwen's death in the, in the third film? And I'm like, I'm not ready for that <laugh>, I'm not ready to see this. But, um,
Speaker 1 01:03:18 But it kind of makes sense too. This was kind of her story. You know, maybe her story ends in a very permanent way.
Speaker 2 01:03:24 They're not gonna do that for a kid's movie <laugh>. They're not gonna kill this character in their kids' movie. Okay, well, to be fair, Disney Fair,
Speaker 1 01:03:32 Disney kills film Kills people all the time.
Speaker 2 01:03:36 Bambi's mom. But, um, yeah, <laugh>, but, um, I'm not ready. I'm just not ready for that. I'm not ready to see Gwen die, because I mean, and that's also a thing. They kind of taste it when they said Spider Gwen. And like in every universe, Gwen Stacey falls for Spider-Man, and in every other universe, it doesn't end well. So I'm thinking, are they gonna literally kill her in the next one? That's something that I need an answer to. Um, okay, what was the other thing? Uh, I need to know Miguel's story. I need to know more about like, what's going on with him. Why is he injecting himself with, I feel like, I remember, I remember 29, I re I know that I, I've read 2099 story before as a kid when Edge of Time came out, but that was like 2013. It's been, it's been <laugh> it's been 10 years, literally 10 years since I've read about 2099.
Speaker 2 01:04:35 And I feel like I know that his, the way that he has his spider powers is different from Miles. It's not a, a spider bite. I feel like it's the injection that he, because he injects himself in this movie, and he says, I used to be the one and only Spider-Man of, of 9 28. Or at least I, or at least I was, you know? So I'm like, I wanna know more about what's up with Miguel, why he's calm at some moments, and then just immediately goes feral in, in, in other moments, you know, like, something's up with him and I need to know what it is. Spider
Speaker 1 01:05:09 Road Rage.
Speaker 2 01:05:10 Spider Road Rage, most likely. Yeah. But, um, a apart from that, I need to know what are the other variants that are gonna show up in, in beyond the Spider Verse, because I know there's a lot of characters that they cut. And I, like I mentioned before, and I hope that they bring them in for the next one. I, I, this is something I want, and I know that a lot of people are, were not, this is not something people were thinking about when they saw this movie. I need a song with Gwen and Jbi Brown <laugh>. I need it because it's criminal to me. Not not only them, but miles too. It's criminal to me that you have three spider characters who are musically talented. You have Miles Morales who brings in his, his hip hop beats and mixtape stylings that he knows how to do because his uncle Aaron taught him.
Speaker 2 01:06:07 You have Gwen Stacey, who's a drummer, you have Spider punk who's the guitarist, and you don't. And, and if I want them, I want for Beyond the Spider Verse to just have them make a song. Because I know Haley Haley Seinfeld can sing, right? We all, we've all seen Pitch Perfect. We know she can sing <laugh>. So I want the song, I want a song on that soundtrack with, with Hailey and Spider Pong. I want Spider Gwen, spider Punk. Give us that collab for the soundtrack. We need a song. And what was the other thing? And lastly, lastly, lastly, the last thing that I'm gonna say, which is, um, something I noticed. This is the first Sony film I have ever seen to end like a Marvel movie. Okay? And I'm gonna explain what I'm, and I'm gonna explain what I mean by that. This, I don't remember a, I hopefully someone, probably someone can like, debunk me on this and immediately say, no, this, this happened before.
Speaker 2 01:07:12 But I don't remember a Sony movie ever ending, like Marvel would, where they would put, uh, you know, like whenever we see a Marvel movie, like they would put, for example, the legendary star Lord Will Return, or Spider-Man will return, or Captain America will return, or King will return. This is the first time I've ever seen Sony and the movie with Spider-Man or Miles Morales will Return. I don't remember ever seeing that. And I think to myself, this is an M C U thing. Are they literally saving Tom Holland and an M C U appearance again for this? Like, that's what I'm thinking. But I don't know if that's what they meant to do by that. So I don't know. But that's all I gotta say for now. I'm probably sure that I'm missing stuff, but like that, that's like the most that I wanted to get out of my chest. 'cause like, that's literally been bugging me for like the past three days while I've been watching this movie. And I've been like, this needs to go on the podcast. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 01:08:08 I'm, I'm so glad we got this opportunity. And I know it's slightly different 'cause it's just the two of us. But you, I think you're going to give them lots of things to talk about, and I'm sure that they're gonna have even more questions to ask you on Twitter.
Speaker 2 01:08:22 Um, oh, yes. No, that's gonna be, oh, right. Let, let's final, let's see, I'm going to Four minutes. I'm gonna quickly skimm through my Twitter to my tweets about Spider Verse and see if there's anything here. Oh, yeah, we were gonna talk about the poll. I'm disappointed in people. And first and foremost, yes, I know Spider Gwen has an animated spinoff coming. That's fine. I just like added her in because she was one of the new characters that showed up, but they were the, I put which character from the Spider-Man across the spider with Would you like to get a spinoff project of? And in the poll, which currently has 746 votes, which is wild to me, uh, spider Woman is leading with 31%. 2099 is in the se is in the second place of 29%. Then Spider Punk has 27%, and Pier has 13%.
Speaker 2 01:09:12 I'm, first off, I'm disappointed that Pier does not have that many points. I like him, I liked his personality. He was incredible. Hobby Brown. Listen, I have my favorite character, my favorite Spiderman character of all time is Scarlet Spider. I'm not gonna get into it, but Hobby Brown, spider Punk was literally my favorite character in this movie. There were, there were lines when he was, he is such an instigator, and I loved him for it. He was like, the, the like Miles was arguing with all the spider people. And he said, uh, and he said, don't call me a kid. And then Spider punk goes, damn, right. And then, uh, Spiderwoman goes, uh, hobby, you're not helping. And he goes, good. And I'm like, yes. My favorite instigator of all time. So I, I want a spider punk project. I need more of him. Uh, I think Daniel Kalu has been perfect casting for that character, so that was great.
Speaker 2 01:10:12 Um, let me see. Uh, someone asked me about could characters from across the Spiders crossover during Secret Wars. Yes, I already answered that. Uh, people are just asking when the, when the podcast will drop, so it'll drop at some point. Um, people are just asking where, where the, uh, someone wrote Mme. Webb has to capitalize off this perfect setup. We've already discussed how Mme. Webb is gonna tie into this, if it does at all. So we'll see how that goes. Someone wrote about add something about the Scarlet Witch too. This is not a Scarlet Witch <laugh> podcast <laugh>. Um,
Speaker 1 01:10:48 That'll come later.
Speaker 2 01:10:50 Yeah, that'll come later. I'm sorry, bestie. I, I know you're, you're excited about Wanda and, and all I can say right now, just really quick, I'm sorry, Lizzie's probably gonna be like, cut this out anyway, but, um, <laugh> just really quick. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Wanda's coming. Just relax. You know, you're, you're, you're gonna get a lot of Wanda references and it's gonna be a while because it's just mainly gonna be referencing Wanda. It's not really gonna be like, oh, Wanda's back for in, in this project or in this other project. They're just gonna reference her a lot. You know, there's Deadpool, there's Agatha. They're gonna reference her. It's not necessarily gonna be a mention, but they're gonna mention her and she's still alive. And I'm just gonna ask you guys to wait until Agatha comes out so you can find out more in detail about what's gonna happen. But that's it. I don't have any other questions about Spider verse here. I don't see anyone asking me anything. So, yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 1 01:11:52 Well, then I guess with that, we've reached the end of our conversation here on the Cosmic Circus Official podcast, the Cosmic Circle. Check us out on the cosmic circus.com, or you can find us on Twitter and other social medias at my Cosmic Circus and the Cosmic Circus podcast, Twitter at Cosmic podcasts. Thank you again so much for tuning into the Cosmic Circle. I'm Brian Kitson, and you can find me on Twitter at kitson 3 0 1. Before I let you go, Alex, where can the people find you? They already know where you are, but let 'em know just in case they don't.
Speaker 2 01:12:22 So I am, uh, barely on social media, but, uh, I, I, I, I'm on, you can find me on my articles at the Cosmic Circus, or you can find me on Twitter at Alex from cc. I'm not gonna promise that I'll answer to your tweets <laugh> because I get so many. But, uh, but yeah, I'm on there on social media, so I'll, you guys can just catch up whenever I update there. So, yeah, thank you guys for tuning in. You guys are amazing. And I'm sorry for the incredible ramp, <laugh>.
Speaker 1 01:12:54 It's okay. They're all gonna love it. They're gonna listen to every second of it. Thank you again, listeners. I cannot wait for our next trip through the cosmos.
